Clair
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Post by Clair on Sept 27, 2011 12:27:35 GMT -5
I hope Fred makes it...would like reports that he is doing well! And will miss seeing Melani, too...
Clair
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Post by benteen on Sept 28, 2011 13:17:52 GMT -5
Clair, Cmon Sir, you can come up with something. Tell the Army you have to give a lecture at West Point. They wont check, probably be glad to get rid of you for a few days Be Well Dan
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Clair
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Post by Clair on Sept 28, 2011 13:42:43 GMT -5
LOL...they are going to miss me a lot, pretty soon! The Armor school has moved all our jobs to FT Benning, which was a key source of work by my group. So unless somebody figures out how we can work remotely (which the cyber-cautious Army is unwilling to do for our kind of work) they will lose anyone not wanting to live in Columbus, GA.
A couple of us may go, but not I...my horses like it in Kentucky. <g>
Clair
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Post by keogh on Oct 15, 2011 21:05:55 GMT -5
A note regarding the Oct. 29th LBHA Roundtable Meeting at Pal's Cabin:
We are moving the time up to 11 AM (from 12 noon) as several of our members have commitments in the afternoon. If you are unable to make it by 11 AM, then by all means come by at 12 noon. Hope to see all of the Old Guard there as well as some new faces as well.
garryowen,
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2011 9:37:38 GMT -5
Despite a freak late-October snowstorm, we had a record turn-out, including Melani who flew in from the West Coast and "bandboxtroop" who came with a friend. Things broke up a bit early because of the snow, but I must say it was a nice as always and I was delighted to meet Melani again and to finally meet "bandbox." "Stevenonhudson" also invited a couple of friends-- historians and members of the LBHA and the CBHMA, so our numbers were inflated by some really good people. The usual gang of suspects was there.... This is always a marvelous time... despite a 3 1/2-hour trip that normally takes about 1 hour.
Great time!
Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by benteen on Oct 30, 2011 10:06:43 GMT -5
Roundtable members,
My apology for bailing out so quickly. Woke up with stomach problems, figured I would suck it up and after the ride I might feel better. Was going OK till I saw the plates for food, that was it, down for the count. I look forward to everyones company but especially was disappointed I didn't get a chance to speak with Melani, don't know when I will get a chance again. Glad it was a great time, it always is with great people.
Be Well Dan
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2011 7:40:32 GMT -5
Dan,
I hope you are feeling better. It was not as good a get-together as it would have been with you there. I look forward to the next one... with you.
Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by keogh on Oct 31, 2011 20:41:55 GMT -5
I had a wonderful time at Pal's Cabin with the Northeast Roundtable crew, and thanks go out to Don Horn, the owner of Pal's Cabin and LBHA Board Chairman Emeritus for hosting the event for us. It was a real pleasure to meet up with old friends Don, Steve, Melani, Ray, Fred, Joe & Dan. It was unfortunate that Dan, like Major Reno, had to make an early exit, but we all appreciate the fact that he came out on such a dreadful day, the unexpected snowfall reaching levels not seen since the winter of '68 out on the Washita. The food was great and the company excellent. It gave me great pleasure to once again prove to one and all that my own model of what happened at LBH is closest to the truth, although some of our number, despite the overwhelming evidence, are still clinging on to their own theories. It was fascinating to see Joe's family papers from the national archives detailing his relative, Pvt. John Kelly of F Company, death wounds. His body was found on Last Stand Hill with a bullet wound in his right temple. I had no idea that any of the enlisted men's death was recorded in this fashion, but clearly it was. It makes one wonder how many other enlisted men's death's may have been recorded in the archives and never yet seen the light of day. On a side note, Trooper Kelly's wife ended up marrying Sgt. Curtiss -- he of the lost hardtack box -- after the battle.
garryowen,
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Post by strange on Oct 31, 2011 21:17:02 GMT -5
I had a wonderful time at Pal's Cabin with the Northeast Roundtable crew, and thanks go out to Don Horn, the owner of Pal's Cabin and LBHA Board Chairman Emeritus for hosting the event for us. It was a real pleasure to meet up with old friends Don, Steve, Melani, Ray, Fred, Joe & Dan. It was unfortunate that Dan, like Major Reno, had to make an early exit, but we all appreciate the fact that he came out on such a dreadful day, the unexpected snowfall reaching levels not seen since the winter of '68 out on the Washita. The food was great and the company excellent. It gave me great pleasure to once again prove to one and all that my own model of what happened at LBH is closest to the truth, although some of our number, despite the overwhelming evidence, are still clinging on to their own theories. It was fascinating to see Joe's family papers from the national archives detailing his relative, Pvt. John Kelly of F Company, death wounds. His body was found on Last Stand Hill with a bullet wound in his right temple. I had no idea that any of the enlisted men's death was recorded in this fashion, but clearly it was. It makes one wonder how many other enlisted men's death's may have been recorded in the archives and never yet seen the light of day. On a side note, Trooper Kelly's wife ended up marrying Sgt. Curtiss -- he of the lost hardtack box -- after the battle. garryowen, keogh If any one has those types of papers, can any one tell me how Yates and Calhoun were killed? I can't find that anywhere..
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Post by bc on Oct 31, 2011 23:18:45 GMT -5
I had a wonderful time at Pal's Cabin with the Northeast Roundtable crew, and thanks go out to Don Horn, the owner of Pal's Cabin and LBHA Board Chairman Emeritus for hosting the event for us. It was a real pleasure to meet up with old friends Don, Steve, Melani, Ray, Fred, Joe & Dan. It was unfortunate that Dan, like Major Reno, had to make an early exit, but we all appreciate the fact that he came out on such a dreadful day, the unexpected snowfall reaching levels not seen since the winter of '68 out on the Washita. The food was great and the company excellent. It gave me great pleasure to once again prove to one and all that my own model of what happened at LBH is closest to the truth, although some of our number, despite the overwhelming evidence, are still clinging on to their own theories. It was fascinating to see Joe's family papers from the national archives detailing his relative, Pvt. John Kelly of F Company, death wounds. His body was found on Last Stand Hill with a bullet wound in his right temple. I had no idea that any of the enlisted men's death was recorded in this fashion, but clearly it was. It makes one wonder how many other enlisted men's death's may have been recorded in the archives and never yet seen the light of day. On a side note, Trooper Kelly's wife ended up marrying Sgt. Curtiss -- he of the lost hardtack box -- after the battle. garryowen, keogh Apparently Don didn't participate as he would have let everyone know his model was superior to all. Sorry Bill but your model moves at a speed like Benteen, doesn't stand up in front of the competition very long before being chased away like Reno, and finally ends up far out in right field like Custer. It comes in behind Fred's. I had occasion to hear Don Horn at the LBHA convention at OKC during the Friday evening Q&A. I fooled around in the book room and missed half of the presentation by him, John Hart, Louise Barrett, and Bruce Liddic. Mr. Mercantante with his banter kept Don on the offensive/defensive most of the time. I didn't get a chance to meet Don but tried. Looked around all day Saturday but apparently he left early and didn't attend on Saturday. Maybe next time. bc
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Post by stevenonhudson on Nov 4, 2011 17:49:52 GMT -5
Everything's been a bit of a blur since last Saturday's Roundtable because my house lost power just before Fred - man, can this guy ever drive through a storm, dodging downed trees, power lines, street fires, etc - dropped us off, about 04:00 in the afternoon and I just got my power back a little while ago at just under six days without. some people around still don't have their power. and we're about 10 miles at most from Manhattan, doesn't seem real. so, at this late date I would like to thank Fred for the ride, Don Horn for his graciousness and generosity and everyone who was there for their wonderful company. now my wife and I are gonna do a week's worth of laundry, restock the fridge and then sleep until Sunday!
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Post by bandboxtroop on Nov 8, 2011 19:17:06 GMT -5
It was very nice meeting all you guys and gals. My friend who drove me up there is a police officer who never was interested in history and now Fred turned him into a Custer buff. If I can get the Lt Hamilton cdv I purchased that I passed around scanned ill get it post to the site. Very few photos of Hamilton are known to exist. The photo I had was taken in 1863 when he was a 1st lt in the 3rd US Infantry taken after being promoted for gallentry at Chancellorsville and Gettysburg. The Paterson NJ backmark threw me off as the Hamiltons were from Poughkeepsie NY, till I found out the Hamilton family owned all the business's in Paterson. Paterson was where Colt opened up his first factory.I did have it published on the Civil War Soldiers data base,but thats a pay site. I look at Hamilton in 1863 and the photo taken in 1868 and you can see the age from the war in his face. He enlisted as a 18 year old substitute and due to family connections received rank but he earned it. At Hamiltons death in 1868 at Washita he was the youngest captain on duty. As I told you guys and girls I did have an opportunity to buy a set of photos of DeRudio and his wife but the price was to high(3000.00). The guy who sold me Hamiltons cdv had no clue who he was. I picked that up for under 300.00 and been offered 3000.00 but will never sell.Hamilton did have a interesting travel after his death buried and reburied 3 times. His grave now rest near his hometown in a very spooky cemetery.I will try to get more info on Kellys widow for you guys. I am in touch with Curtis's descendants, distant cousins, Kelly left no letters but his children left accounts and I do know that Pvt John Kelly was carrying his grandfathers British Waterloo medal at Little Big Horn. It was given to him in Easton PA by a uncle for good luck. I still hope the medal will show up. It has 3 bars on it and was the first British Medal given to enlisted British soldiers, very few medals survive. Maybe it will show up on a dig. I doubt its still in Sioux or Cheyenne hands. I think a good study should be done on the enlisted 7th soldiers widows left at Ft Lincoln and what happened to them. I know my ancestors widow married Sgt Curtis and 1Sgt Bobo's widow married Sgt Kanipe. I think they all married to stay at the fort just for their childrens welfare. Im sorry it took so long to get back to you guys. I had a bunch of pre testing done since the meeting. Tomorrow I am back in the 23rd St NYC VA hospital for my 5th surgery this year. I will be there 3 to 5 days. Keough stop by and visit. Ill have some vodka in my water bottle. Mel Im leaving another post for you under Washita as you been there. I will make the next meeting with my buddy and thanks Fred and Mel for adding me on Face book, I already had Keough on there. Fred Ill have your book for you to sign by next meeting. Joe PS Ill see if I can bring the Webley Revolver recovered from the Sioux Reservation in Canada to next meeting. If I keep it boxed and since Im with a police officer I dont have fear of being stopped , can just pass it around in the box if you guys want me to. This reservation has familys from Sitting Bulls stay in Canada,they didnt go back with the others.There are only 31 families left on the reservation. There are 6 Sioux reservations in Canada.
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Post by El Crab on Nov 9, 2011 2:58:35 GMT -5
You have a Webley recovered from the Sioux in Canada?! Since I live nowhere near NYC, I'd love to see pictures if you have any.
Interesting stuff about Kelly. I'd imagine most of the troopers and officers on Last Stand Hill killed by bullets had been killed by shots to the head. That's probably about the only portion they'd expose if they exposed anything.
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Post by Melani on Nov 11, 2011 13:10:31 GMT -5
Sorry it's taken me so long to get back online--came home to the usual chaos that happens in my absence, and just now getting caught up. I totally agree with Steve--Fred sure can drive! I never thought a mere eight inches of snow could cause so much trouble, and still can't figure out what the power company was doing for the six days Steve spent in the dark. But we made it pretty cozy by the time I left--all we needed to duplicate Custer's study were a few animal heads on the walls. After all, he never had power at all.
It was great to meet with everybody in person. Joe, I chatted with your friend some, and he seems like a really nice guy--get him online! It's interesting to think that there may be more detailed accounts of what happened to the enlisted men than we have been aware. Shots to the head could have been from friends, a coup de gras, or "save the last bullet for yourself"--a more detailed description would be necessary to try to figure that out. As a result of a "conversation" with a certain individual who resides elsewhere in cyberspace, I contacted the National Archives to try to get Keogh's military records. As I recall, anybody can get stuff if the guy has been dead for more than 50 years--otherwise, you have to be a relative. But in my case, I never even got a response from them. They said, "Don't email us more than once, or it'll take longer." That was September of 2009. It finally took somebody who lives in DC going there in person to get the info we were after. But the point is that any of us could do the research on any trooper somebody was interested in--at least, if you could get a response from the NA in the first place!
I hope to make it back there another time when there's not a freak storm going on. Otherwise, I'll see you guys at Gettysburg!
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Post by strange on Nov 11, 2011 13:18:33 GMT -5
Sorry it's taken me so long to get back online--came home to the usual chaos that happens in my absence, and just now getting caught up. I totally agree with Steve--Fred sure can drive! I never thought a mere eight inches of snow could cause so much trouble, and still can't figure out what the power company was doing for the six days Steve spent in the dark. But we made it pretty cozy by the time I left--all we needed to duplicate Custer's study were a few animal heads on the walls. After all, he never had power at all. It was great to meet with everybody in person. Joe, I chatted with your friend some, and he seems like a really nice guy--get him online! It's interesting to think that there may be more detailed accounts of what happened to the enlisted men than we have been aware. Shots to the head could have been from friends, a coup de gras, or "save the last bullet for yourself"--a more detailed description would be necessary to try to figure that out. As a result of a "conversation" with a certain individual who resides elsewhere in cyberspace, I contacted the National Archives to try to get Keogh's military records. As I recall, anybody can get stuff if the guy has been dead for more than 50 years--otherwise, you have to be a relative. But in my case, I never even got a response from them. They said, "Don't email us more than once, or it'll take longer." That was September of 2009. It finally took somebody who lives in DC going there in person to get the info we were after. But the point is that any of us could do the research on any trooper somebody was interested in--at least, if you could get a response from the NA in the first place! I hope to make it back there another time when there's not a freak storm going on. Otherwise, I'll see you guys at Gettysburg! Don't email the government, they don't answer most of the time unless they are nagged or unless you can do something for THEM!
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