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Post by Melani on Feb 10, 2008 1:18:51 GMT -5
It rather seems like any thread discussing the censorship policies of this board is going to be locked down, which sort of makes a statement in itself. A link to this site has now been posted at ..............., and has been allowed to stand--in fact, I just came to this site by using it. So how about it, moderator? Shall we all start acting like grown-ups?
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Post by moderator on Feb 10, 2008 3:50:31 GMT -5
It rather seems like any thread discussing the censorship policies of this board is going to be locked down, which sort of makes a statement in itself. A link to this site has now been posted at ..............., and has been allowed to stand--in fact, I just came to this site by using it. So how about it, moderator? Shall we all start acting like grown-ups? I went to the link you had posted above, Melani, but found no link listed either on the home page, nor in the links page. Please feel free to PM me on this matter and I will be happy to discuss it with you in greater detail. And in the interests of fairness, I would suggest you post a similar message over at the other forum, rather than continue to single us out over here. The Moderator
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Post by Melani on Feb 10, 2008 4:37:22 GMT -5
The link is in a post, just as this one was. I don't expect either one of you to put it on the home page just yet. The post is by Billy Markland , on page 39 of "LBHA Chairman's Message..." Unlike mine, it is still there and still active. And Diane has seen it. Prior to this, she has removed all references to this site, as you have, the difference being that she noted the removal.
Thank you, anyway, for this time making it obvious what you have deleted.
You are not singled out over here; the link is still up on Diane's site. I had intended to post to both simultaneously, but Billy beat me to it by posting this link. If Diane doesn't delete it, don't you think that might a first tiny step toward adult behavior?
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Post by Melani on Feb 10, 2008 5:11:01 GMT -5
For those who may be in need of the research information in question:
"Folks, after giving it a modicum of thought, if there is anything you want on my web site dealing with the Indian Wars, email or PM me as I am yanking it down to prevent unauthorized, read LBHA members who I don't know, users from grabbing it. In the future, it will be available, however it will have to be via e-mail.
Sorry, but that is how things stand.
Billy"
I thought there might be people here who would want to know what had happened to the website.
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Post by alfuso on Feb 10, 2008 6:20:36 GMT -5
this whole thing is getting out of hand.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2008 7:05:51 GMT -5
Well, now! What do we all have here?
I wake up this morning having gone to bed knowing my college had an 8-point half-time, find out they lost by 8, then the first I see after that is Billy Markland with a 50%-go-to-your-room warning flipped up under his name! A hell of a night, I guess it was. The good news is that I finally had a decent night sleep.
As one of the more combative members of either Website, I have a couple of observations to make. (I wonder if this risks getting "barred"?)
First of all, Mr. Moderator, I really don't care who you are, so if you wish to troll [there's that word again!] in anonymity, that's probably your right. I'm past that. I do, however, object to your continued use of the word "troll." I think it is derogatory and if you want to fling names around, then I think Billy is correct and you should reveal your identity. And quite frankly, I don't care how much you think you can justify your use of that word, it is childish and flat-out wrong. Give it up, man! If you want to tell everyone who you are, then I have less issue with the name-calling.
Quite frankly, I revert back to my original comment: just drop the word and stay in the shadows. There is probably more hot-headedness on the other site and I can understand their emotions a lot better than I can understand similar emotions over here. This is Goliath pushing around David, so David is going to have more of a complainer's right than Goliath; that's just the way things are. Plus, they feel they are the wronged party and there is clearly plenty of evidence to bolster their case. Right or wrong, someone should step up and offer the "Melani/Alfuso" olive branch, regardless of their inner emotions.
And I will tell you something else, Mr. Moderator. I respect your position, I like your site (and you can thank Mrs. Merkel for that), and I hope you do well. Having said that, if you boot Billy Markland, I won't post here any more. That's neither a threat, nor is it fuel for Billy to expedite his own removal. I am just tired of the whole thing-- and this is from the biggest mouth on the boards! Neither side can win, so why fight? End it now, quit the innuendo and the name-calling, monitor the radicals, and live the truce. And mark my words: losing Billy is a big mistake.
Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by benteeneast on Feb 10, 2008 10:14:27 GMT -5
If you ban Billy I will join him in the legal action by providing financial support and as a member also of LBHA.
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Post by Melani on Feb 10, 2008 10:31:19 GMT -5
I am also a member of the LBHA, and as I said, I joined entirely because of the message boards. I really don't want to be censored and scolded for my membership at www.littlebighorn.info, where the link to this site still stands as described above. Diane has allowed the link to this site to stand--I am thinking if we can do the same here, maybe it will be the first step in stopping all this squabbling. The only good thing I can see coming out of this is a sudden increase in the membership of the Friends of LBH. Unfortunately, that would probably result in an equal drop in membership in the LBHA. When I first found LBHA, I thought, "Oh, boy! A bunch of serious scholars with a huge amount of information! What fun!" It never occurred to me that a bunch of adult historians would behave like kindergarteners in a sandbox. I would really like to move on to at least first grade.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2008 11:53:09 GMT -5
I would like to know if Billy Markland has been banned or suspended from this board.
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Post by moderator on Feb 10, 2008 12:26:37 GMT -5
The link is in a post, just as this one was. I don't expect either one of you to put it on the home page just yet. The post is by Billy Markland , on page 39 of "LBHA Chairman's Message..." Unlike mine, it is still there and still active. And Diane has seen it. Prior to this, she has removed all references to this site, as you have, the difference being that she noted the removal. Thank you, anyway, for this time making it obvious what you have deleted. You are not singled out over here; the link is still up on Diane's site. I had intended to post to both simultaneously, but Billy beat me to it by posting this link. If Diane doesn't delete it, don't you think that might a first tiny step toward adult behavior? If Diane is no longer censoring this forum, then I have no objection to her site being mentioned here by name. Fair enough. And I appreciate your concerns about 'adult behavior' but Diane has had this childish policy in place now for several months at her forum, when she first announced she would not permit the posting of our website address. Just out of curiousity, how many public posts have you made at her board asking her to stop her childish behavior? Or is it only here that you feel the freedom to do so? Don't get me wrong, Melani, I am glad that you do feel free to express yourself openly at this forum, but you also realize that it is not a coincidence that you, nor any other member of her forum, has ever openly challenged her rather childish decision to do so over the past several months. Maybe now that will change. I certainly hope so. The Moderator
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Post by moderator on Feb 10, 2008 12:36:05 GMT -5
I would like to know if Billy Markland has been banned or suspended from this board. Fred, Billy was given fair warning that if he continued to act in defiance of my request to lock down a divisive thread, he would have his posting privileges suspended. He responded in a rude and obnoxious manner, demonstrating the level of his character and class. To answer your question. No, he has not been banned. He has chosen to have his posting privileges suspended. It was first suspended for 3 days. Then when I realized he was publicly posting his trolling activities at Diane's site to further fan the flames of agitation, his suspension was increased to 20 days. To date, no one has been banned, or even threatened to be banned at this forum, unlike another forum which you have defended which has a policy of banning whomever annoys the moderator.
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Post by moderator on Feb 10, 2008 12:38:16 GMT -5
For those who may be in need of the research information in question: "Folks, after giving it a modicum of thought, if there is anything you want on my web site dealing with the Indian Wars, email or PM me as I am yanking it down to prevent unauthorized, read LBHA members who I don't know, users from grabbing it. In the future, it will be available, however it will have to be via e-mail. Sorry, but that is how things stand. Billy" I thought there might be people here who would want to know what had happened to the website. Speaking of childish behavior........
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Post by moderator on Feb 10, 2008 12:41:48 GMT -5
If you ban Billy I will join him in the legal action by providing financial support and as a member also of LBHA. Thats good to know, Benteeneast. There is a whole list of people who have been banned at Diane's forum. Perhaps you would like to contribute to their legal fund as well?
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Post by custersfreckles on Feb 10, 2008 13:13:34 GMT -5
So much for sticking to history. Alas.
Well ... since one of the multiple moderators of this board hasn't been banned at Diane's website, I don't get the anger. The folks who do get booted over there are those who send unsolicited beheading photographs to members they believe are anti-Custer and due to that, are in league with Al-Qaeda, folks who used her board to get even with Robert Nightingale (whatever)--something that should have been done via private channels--and some who were just unwisely ignorant of the board's population, those who insulted entire populations of Indians, women, and whatevers.
At this board, a comment calling "Indian women icky" has been allowed to stand--an insult that angers me even now. Isn't that a bit trollish? Or does the Litte Bighorn Associates prefer to sheathe their reputation in a profound dislike and continued prejudice for those people who had the smarts to whip Custer's behind?
And banning Billy Markland--even temporarily--is a very unwise move. He is one of the finest historians I know and a source of invaluable primary sources. He is an inspiration to all who practice the art of Custeriana--other than to those who prefer to use Custer as an advertisement for neo-conservative agendas. It takes very much to anger him and this "new direction' of the LBHA has certainly done so. It has angered me as well. The sense of entitlement this administration--clearly represented by the ten moderators here--claims is simply ridiculous. First, the Godly Ones demanded resignations of those board members who preferred to offer a more humble approach to the members' hard earned monies; this attitude carried into diatribes offered in the newsletter; and now, they demand silence from those of us who really want to reform the LBHA and see it become an organisation dedicated to being both pro-Indian and pro-Custer. Is this attitude really a proud pursuit to embrace? Hasn't anyone noticed the lack of new members listed in issue after issue of the newsletter?
And before I get labelled as arrogant, let me tell you. I have suffered more insults and personal assaults than anyone else at this board. I am proud to say that many people--thanks to Diane--have found the room in the hearts to call me their friend. I am neither rude or bigoted, instead, I live a life of gratitude every day.
But a wrong is a wrong.
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Post by moderator on Feb 10, 2008 13:26:45 GMT -5
And I will tell you something else, Mr. Moderator. I respect your position, I like your site (and you can thank Mrs. Merkel for that) And Ms. Merkel can thank the LBHA for the success of her forum as well!) Fred, I thank you for your compliments of our site. It is serious posters like yourself which make it successful, despite the antics of those who come here with the sole intent to disrupt our activities with divisive and acrimonious accusations. You know as well as I do that their heart and soul belong to another forum and their motives are less than sincere. Billy chose to remove himself from this forum, and I believe it was his intent all along to do so. I have not banned him altogether, as I believe in keeping the door open should he decide to rejoin us and contribute in a positive manner. He has much to offer when he chooses to use his talents in a positive rather than a destructive manner. Unlike Diane's site, which has banned or threatened to ban a number of individuals, we have banned no one as of yet, and I sincerely hope that we will never find the need to do so. Best Wishes, The Moderator
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