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Post by Melani on Feb 8, 2008 15:00:46 GMT -5
I have noticed an unusual number of posts on this board that are marked as edited by the moderator. Are that many people using foul/inappropriate/inflammatory language, or are the posts being edited for informational content, or what? Moderator, can you please elucidate?
Melani, our forum has been plagued by a number of malcontents from our old message board who seem to take some delight in causing disruptions with inflammatory posts. If a post is determined to be foul/inappropriate/inflammatory or single out a person by name, it will be edited or deleted accordingly.
The Moderator
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Post by tommyk on Feb 8, 2008 15:22:53 GMT -5
I haven't but as Warren Burger(?) stated: "I'll know it when I see it"
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Post by tommyk on Feb 8, 2008 15:26:04 GMT -5
Can you be specific?
Usually if a poster edits his own post you see it at the bottom.
If you are correct, then so much for FREE SPEECH that some here said should be a priority.
tommy, free speech ends when it infringes on the rights of others. One can't scream "fire!" in a crowded theater and expect to be protected by free speech.
The Moderator
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Post by Melani on Feb 8, 2008 16:07:47 GMT -5
#4 on "Was LBH A New Alamo;" #2 on "Yates Battalion vs. Keogh's Battalion;" #1 in "Custer and Eliza Brown." That seems like a lot for the few days this forum has been in use, and I have not been able to tell from the subject matter what might have been objectionable. I am not used to seeing this sort of thing at all.
I am also not used to a forum where the moderator is anonymous. There is even one I sometimes visit, westcoastcampaigner.org, where even though screen names are allowed, all posts must be signed with the poster's full name.
The moderator's edit message shows at the bottom of the post, where it usually shows when the poster has made the modification.
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Post by custersfreckles on Feb 8, 2008 16:10:05 GMT -5
I do have to say that an entire post of mine was deleted from discussion as well. Perhaps it didn't add to the conversation, but still, it makes me very leery to do much more than putting my toe in the waters.
Your post was deleted Clara Blinn, due to its inflammatory and false content. If you recall, you falsely claimed that you were pre-banned from this forum, then you falsely claimed that your personal information was given out. That sort of nonsense will not be tolerated at this board.
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Post by Melani on Feb 8, 2008 16:11:31 GMT -5
There was another post also entirely deleted, but I know why. It was the one about David's sweaty leather videos.
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Post by foolkiller on Feb 8, 2008 16:46:54 GMT -5
Two of the moderator's modifications were to posts I made, and had to do with my mention of another forum. While I find this objectionable, I wouldn't really term it censorship, since none of the ideas contained in the posts were affected (as far as I can remember). If they don't want mention of other forums on this one, I don't see that as a big problem. People searching for information on the LBH will stumble upon others just as easily as they stumble upon this one.
So long as free expression of opinion and presentation of facts is not "modified," I have no big problem. If those start to be stifled, I will be out of here as quickly, or more quickly, as/than anyone else.
As an aside clarablinn, I see a quote from Steve Alexander beneath your posts (I don't know what these are called, or how to put them in). Is this the same Steve Alexander who is a well-known portrayer of Armstrong Custer in documentaries and at the LBH re-enactments? Is he referring to you? Are you a famous fiction writer? Have you actually met Mr. Alexander?
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Post by custersfreckles on Feb 8, 2008 17:10:12 GMT -5
Yes, you are talking about the very same Steve--or as I call him OIMA (I can discuss that via private message)--Alexander. We had a chance meeting at LBH last summer where I innocently asked him about the Custer/Bacon house because I wanted to portay it accurately in my novel. Steve then immediately said "send it to me." He is up to the rewrites of Chapter Fourteen and whilst NOT supporting its plot--this is fiction, afterall--or its twists and turns, he did proudly admit that I was the very first fiction writer who "has gotten Custer entirely right." Of course, that was the thrill of my life and Custer-writin' career. From the very beginning of my project, my goal was to give my readers an accurate portrayal of the Boy General and to have captured Steve's imagination and praise (he has cast himself in the movie) was the biggest compliment I have ever endured.
The Custer/Bacon home has been tirelessly restored to something approaching its former luster. The Alexanders are not blessed with a lot of money, but they have spent what they do have on that house. And it is tiny! I cannot imagine just how crowded and fragrant that residence must have been during the days surrounding Judge Bacon's funeral. Of note: Steve has done a lot of the physical labour himself ... including some electrical mumbo jumbo that scared the living Bejeezus out of me! As just about everyone will note, both he and Sandy are generous and loving individuals and pretty non-judgmental when it comes to one's theories regarding Custer--and they are always willing to help anyone who has a sincere interest in GAC.
At this year's reenactment, you all should see a new addition to Steve's portrayal of Custer--one for which I am entirely responsible. It's gonna be "our" secret, but it should be cool to see ... if the man lives through it, literally! And Steve does have some reservations about ....
But as I know my allusions to the fine OIMA tire you, my sweetest of cousins, I will refrain from more at this time and will continue to design the Magnificent Statue that render upon to you the most desirous of well-deservedness. Your kindness and friendship with Emily is a blessing.
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Post by Melani on Feb 8, 2008 18:09:28 GMT -5
Two of the moderator's modifications were to posts I made, and had to do with my mention of another forum. While I find this objectionable, I wouldn't really term it censorship, since none of the ideas contained in the posts were affected (as far as I can remember). If they don't want mention of other forums on this one, I don't see that as a big problem. People searching for information on the LBH will stumble upon others just as easily as they stumble upon this one. More easily. If you search on "Little Bighorn" you find the LBHA website on page 4 of Google; if you search on "LBHA" you find it on page 3; if you search on Little Bighorn Associates" you finally find it on page 1, fourth entry down. The other forum is much easier to find.
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Post by moderator on Feb 8, 2008 19:37:29 GMT -5
I have noticed an unusual number of posts on this board that are marked as edited by the moderator. Are that many people using foul/inappropriate/inflammatory language, or are the posts being edited for informational content, or what? Moderator, can you please elucidate? The few posts to date which have been edited or removed were done so due to foul/inappropriate/inflammatory language which was entirely off topic and bore no relation to the subject of Custeriana. Our old message board has let it be known that they will not tolerate any mention (by name at least) of this message board, thus according to their stated desires, we are respecting their wishes and removing any mention of their site as well. Perhaps this policy will change in the future. Melani, since you are a member of the old forum, are you aware that they have a policy of removing any and all mention of this forum as well as Custerwest.org? Perhaps, in the interests of fairness, you might bring this fact up for discussion over there, just as you have done here. The Moderator
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Post by moderator on Feb 8, 2008 19:39:21 GMT -5
Can you be specific? Usually if a poster edits his own post you see it at the bottom. If you are correct, then so much for FREE SPEECH that some here said should be a priority. We believe in Free Speech Tommy, unlike other forums we are both familiar with. However, Free Speech comes with the responsibility not to infringe on the rights of others.
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Post by moderator on Feb 8, 2008 19:44:40 GMT -5
I do have to say that an entire post of mine was deleted from discussion as well. Perhaps it didn't add to the conversation, but still, it makes me very leery to do much more than putting my toe in the waters. Clara, your post was removed due to the inflammatory and false allegations which you made which were also off topic. I understand you were operating under false pretenses based on a misunderstanding. All is forgiven.
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Post by moderator on Feb 8, 2008 19:53:10 GMT -5
Two of the moderator's modifications were to posts I made, and had to do with my mention of another forum. While I find this objectionable, I wouldn't really term it censorship, since none of the ideas contained in the posts were affected (as far as I can remember). If they don't want mention of other forums on this one, I don't see that as a big problem. People searching for information on the LBH will stumble upon others just as easily as they stumble upon this one. We are only respecting the wishes of our old forum moderator who insists that no mention be made whatsoever of this forum or permit a link to it to be displayed at her personal site. (Have you tried yet to post a link to this forum up there yet? ) It is their desire to make no mention of this message board, and we are only respecting their wishes on the matter by doing the same here. We are in total agreement here, Foolkiller. On occasion, a poster will go over the line by posting something inappropriate, slanderous, libelous, foul, or personally degrading which we reserve the right to edit for both our own protection as well as the protection of our members. The Moderator
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Post by moderator on Feb 8, 2008 20:00:01 GMT -5
More easily. If you search on "Little Bighorn" you find the LBHA website on page 4 of Google; if you search on "LBHA" you find it on page 3; if you search on Little Bighorn Associates" you finally find it on page 1, fourth entry down. The other forum is much easier to find. The old forum is easier to find on a search engine since it has been in existance for well over 2 years and has built up a good deal of traffic to it, hence its higher position. Keep in mind that until a few monthes ago, this old forum was promoted as our own website and board before it was taken away from us. It will take a bit of time for our traffic to reach the same levels our old boards once attained.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2008 20:02:29 GMT -5
The fact that one message board deletes all references to another is both juvenile and asinine. I am a long-standing member of that "other board" and have made several references to this board, many of which have been complimentary, despite being called a couple of names by the Swiss Inquisitor and despite some rather distasteful remarks by another clown on this board.
I would like very much to see this board do well. It is my opinion it will never replace, nor even duplicate Merkel's board, but that's only because it is running rather late. If the Moderator of this board does his job as he should, it will become a credit to its members. Otherwise it will be nothing more than a collection of scurrilous diatribes directed at everyone who dares disagree with a handful of loudmouths.
I have already been rather chastised on the "other board" (God! I'm getting tired of these terms!) and quite frankly I think that is as childish as some of the stuff I've seen here.
If I may give a piece of advice, I think the keyword on both boards should be civility. I have had more than my share of dust-ups and quite frankly I am tired of them. I'm currently going through one on this board via the PM route: two messages and already I'm tired of the joust. At least if you send someone after me, send someone with the threat of a brain.
I would really like to see some decent, honest, intelligent discussions. There are some ringers here-- and if you clowns can't see them, I'm certainly not going to spill the beans-- but at least it is being done in harmless fun with no animosity or bad intent. You also have some awfully good people on here: "foolkiller," "tommyk," "benteeneast," Melani, Clara (when she wants to be), "Jasw," and a few others whose monikers escape me.
I only wish you well, but brother, if that new "Newsletter" is any indication of the direction you want this organization to go, you may have more problems than you bargained for.
Best wishes, Fred.
PS-- I forgot to mention "keogh"; ol' "keogh" is a good man. FCW
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