OK, dirty, suntanned, smoke & dust covered features including facial and head hair, I can buy into. The uniforms would need to be just as dirty and smoke covered also and maybe they are a little and in places.
However, the artist must have collaborated with Conz to have all those arrows in the ground at the angles that they are. Can anyone identify the clan marks?
I think that Luce claimed a great deal of research went into his painting, as did Paxson. Therefore, one would expect historical accuracy, particularly when figures are identified, as Paxson did. Don't know about Schmidt; but I think that Luce did also. Fred could probably comment on the Luce painting in that regard.
von Schmidt did try for historical accuracy -- the print of "Here Fell Custer" that I have came with a paper "key" (rough sketch of the painting) that identifies various persons and other items of interest.
As to how well he succeeded, I'll leave that to the experts. But my sense is that HFC is probably one of the more accurate ones. Little shooting is being done by Custer and his men -- most are too busy dying. Those that aren't are trying their best to present as small a target as possible, a sensible course of action under the circumstances.
von Schmidt wrote an amusing article on the making of the painting:
Vickory (F) or Hughes (K), Gordie. Some accounts I've seen said SGT Hughes carried Custer's flag, and others-- including Bob Snelson-- thought it was Vickory.
I also agree with your previous post and I agree with Steve Wilk, as well. I tend to think that troopers on a 40-day campaign-- especially one as arduous as this one had been-- show some wear and tear, and again, Steve brought up the point of the dust. Guys aged earlier in those days; diet, strain, tools, riding horses, etc. They were smaller, shorter, weighed less. They built beautiful homes like the quarters at Fort Lincoln, built them quickly, yet had nothing in the way of tools like we have today. A 25-year old probably looked 35, so I can forgive some artistic license.
I don't really have any objections to the Luce painting other than the C Company business, but hey, that's his opinion and he is entitled to it. Besides, there were a couple of C Company men there anyway. I love his uniforms-- dust or no dust-- and I also like the fact that the Indians seem to be fairly far away. Looking at the painting, I get the idea the LSH fight is fairly early-- Custer is still mounted; the Indians haven't closed-- yet they know they're in trouble. I for one, think it's the best action painting of the fight, though there is another artist whose name escapes me right now, who has also done a couple of neat paintings of various aspects of the battle. I seem to remember one of Keogh's battalion moving into position.
As for the clean-shaven business, I would doubt that seriously, especially in light of the DeWolf treatments. (Just don't ask me where I read that; even I don't collect all the trivia associated with this thing.... Hell's bells...! Now you've got me looking.... Can't find it.)
Best wishes, Fred.
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I agree the uniforms would be more dusty and worn but too much of that detracts from the painting. One of my favorite artists is Don Troiani; even though he is best known for his Civil War prints, I love his Revolutionary War works (my secondary interest behind the Indian Wars). I keep hoping for him to do a Last Stand painting but he probably figures the subject has been done ad nauseum.
Boy, oh boy!, it is nice to see you on these boards!
No, that wasn't the one, but that is a beauty! I have seen that artist before and I like his work as much as Luce's. I still do not think, however, that it is the fellow whose work I am thinking of. Have you any idea where I can get a print of that one?
Like you and Elisabeth, I am rather taken by Keogh, one of my favorite characters in this whole thing.
I believe I like Schreck the best--among other things, Comanche is the right color. The one by Churms has a lot of action, but Keogh's head is strangely out of proportion, and that distracts me terribly from the rest of it.
As for Commanche's color, his description leaves only a little doubt...from dun to claybank (a type of dun), but the post #101 painting should have it about right...only the shade of hair should be in doubt, and of course, his conformation, but that looks pretty close to his picture, too.
I've got a very pretty claybank quarter horse in our barn now...one of our Western boarders. His barn name is "Cooper," but I always call him "Commanche." Yes, he screams like an Indian if you poke him (during arrow dodging exercises...he's a slow learner)...<g>