Warriors on the East Side of the River Nov 17, 2010 22:23:43 GMT -5
Post by conz on Nov 17, 2010 22:23:43 GMT -5
Not at all. They are all saying that they SEE the trains in the distance...they see them approaching the Lone Tipi area. It is very clear that ALL the Warriors were gone by the time the trains actually arrived face-to-face with Reno.
C'mon...that's pretty obvious, eh?
2. Clair's testimonies show something peculiar. Several Indians stated that when they were notified of a new force, they could see US forces on L/C/N ridges. Since we know US forces fired from these positions, this may have attracted their attention. Line of sight is like tracers: it works both ways. If they could see Keough, he could see them. This means that Custer knew sizable Indian forces were blocking Benteen and the trains from approaching.
VERY TRUE. I agree completely. And in about three minutes, he saw hundreds pouring over Weir Hill and Ford B at him. The time between him seeing some at 3411, and them showing up around Ford B, was the time from Yates beginning his advance down MTC and the time the volleys were fired, you see.
At 3411, Custer saw that some 900 Indians were engaged with Reno, and another 500 were on the way. This meant the village was open to attack. Defenders at ford B were 5-10.
Yes, but from here, he couldn't see the Ford B situation, nor could he see Crazy Horse and his "reserves" ...200-300 of the LAST Warriors not yet at the Reno fight. These would have to be out of his way before he could cross at Ford B...but he didn't know that yet.
So I find it inexplicable that some folks here castigate Reno for not being able to beat 900 with 100; while these same folks find nothing extraordinary that Custer could not beat 10 Indians with 200 soldiers.
Is there a difference between Reno being able to defend his 100 against 1,000 Warriors, versus Custer successfully attacking 1,000 Warriors with 200? C'mon....you're slipping here!
Custer had an opportunity, and he let that opportunity pass him by. He never attacked. My assumption is he saw warriors still coming in from the pony herds, and decided he had more than he can handle. Remember, Reno with half his force, faced three times as many Indians.
When do you believe this occurred, then?
The Hussar Academy may teach that leaving 3 companies a mile back with weapon systems with an effective range of 400 meters is good tactics. The Benning School for Boys and my motley school have a word for officers with that degree of tactical sense: it is called a recycle/relief board.
I think you underestimate the power of a skirmish line, and overestimate the enemy here. Never has any number of Warriors been able to overrun a company skirmish line. No reason for any officers at this battle to believe that they would, either.
These officers believed that a dismounted skirmish line was INVULNERABLE. So their decision making should be evaluated in that light, I think.
4. Reno could hold out for 4 hours theory.
Two hours...its mentioned in several places, I know by Godfrey and others, in both Civil War tactical discussions and about Reno at LBH in particular. It is a planning "rule of thumb," I believe, from Gettysburg to Little Bighorn.
Reno's men carried a basic load of 50 rounds. The 1873 carbine could fore 4 rounds a minute comfortably. This will expend basic load in 12 and a half minutes. Any soldier would slow down rate of fire around the 50 percent mark. So it is reasonable that the basic load would last for 20 minutes.
This planning figure includes all the ammo in the saddlebags.
We have previously discussed the terrain here. It is indefensible, and would be hard to defend against a force of the same size, never mind one with superior numbers. One of the oddities of this board is we have folks who believe it is easier to infiltrate in open fields than it is to infiltrate in a forest.
Not the people here...it is the INDIANS that believe that, and acted that way, too! You have to know your enemy...
Note that Reno was not overrun by masses of dismounted Warriors creeping shoulder-to-shoulder, three ranks deep, through the woods, eh? The very vision of such a thing occurring seems quite ludicrous to me, based on my studies of Indian fighting.