Perverting the course of justice is a criminal offence in England and Wales. The offence is committed when a person prevents justice from being served on him/herself or on another party. It is a common law offence, carrying a maximum sentence of life imprisonment.
I hope you haven't had a sense of humour bypass because my post was meant in humorous vein and please, I do know what perverting the course of justice is all about in my own country.
Last Edit: Nov 1, 2017 13:46:15 GMT -5 by herosrest
If it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, and looks like a duck ~ it is probably a goose.
Courtesy of Ken Hammer is an interview with Curley, September 30, 1913, which Thomas Le Forge, interpreted.
Mitch and I went on and joined Custer on Medicine Tail Coulee as he was advancing toward the village. He did not halt after we joined him.
He had all the bugles blowing for some time, the purpose of which I did not understand [perhaps he was having them play Garry OwenWMC].
I had seen Reno defeated in the bottom and discussed it with Mitch. I saw Mitch say something to General Custer when we met him and presumed that he must have informed him about Reno's situation.
On the battlefield, near Calhoun marker, I saw Mitch talking with the general. Mitch said that Custer told him the command would very likely all be wiped out and he (Custer) wanted the scouts to get out if they could.
I was riding my own horse. I found a dead Sioux and exchanged my Winchester for his Sharps rifle and belt of cartridges.2 On my saddle I had a coat made of a blanket with holes cut out for arms, and a hood over my head. In this fashion I rode out.
I first went over to Lookout Point and remained at the summit, on back side, until sundown. From there I could see soldiers gathered
0. Camp MSS, field notes, unclassified envelope 71, Lilly Library.
2. There is a variance in Curley's statements about the rifle he obtained from the Sioux Indian. In the 1908, 1909, and 1910 interviews it was a Winchester. It may be an error of interpretation here that the rifle was a Sharps. (Quack.... omg, tears hair out, Pull!)
Curley was several times during his life, photographed with his trusty..... Sharp Winchester. The real problem is when Clint Eastwood met Curley?
From Camp's work with Curley, has evolved the following trivial significant.
Frederick Whittaker and the Little Bighorn Reconstructed. by $imples
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Part IV Much that is of those following the military camp at Little Big Horn is divisive in petty favoritism of particular members of 7th Cavalry. It is particularism extreme by particularates being particularist and it can be fun to admire, in the way 80 handicaps.
Maj. Reno retired from battle, without orders at around 2pm, 25th June 1876 and did so when he probably should have charged. An interesting aside to the matter eminated from interpreter F.F. Gerard who heard trumpet calls he did not understand, at the time of Maj. Reno's, 'That was a charge, sir!', from the valley into the river.
Interview with Curley, September 30, 1913, Thomas Le Forge, Interpreter
The four Crows remained with Custer until we got to ridge south of Medicine Tail coulee. Here Hairy Moccasin, White Man Runs Him, and Goes Ahead left us, and Mitch and I went on. We joined Custer on Medicine Tail Coulee as he was advancing toward the village. He did not halt after we joined him. He had all the bugles blowing for some time, the purpose of which I did not understand [perhaps he was having them play Garry OwenWMC].
Now Capt. Benteen, i'll call him Fred, has been lambasted in five quarters as dilatory and absent when needed. This is valid criticism of an experienced and obviously able officer. What was he up to, eh? during that tiresome extended march to the left. It doesn't really matter although it can be said in absolute certainty that he can be placed in what is today named Long Otter Creek. This is by his own admission shortly after the battle and to doubt his words is obviously to doubt the man.
It must be obvious to soldier or military student that George Custer intended to concentrate his strength at the village. That quite simply goes without saying, it is given fact FROM which to develop theory of how what happened, happened. In this respect, l will point out Lt. Robert Patterson Hughes who as a member of Gen. Terry's staff, in his letter of 30th June, entirely failed to grasp that team play.
Hughes spent the rest of his life as nemesis, criticising Custer for the mistake Terry made of dividing his force. It was unfortunate, all around, that Custer was able to lead 7th Cavalry, where with Bemteen to defer to, who knows how Reno's luck would have played. Would Reno have continued along the Rosebud to the headwaters of the Tongue, feeling constantly to the left whilsy knowing that Sitting Bull was to his right?
Fred knew were his battalion was to go, his written orders told him. He showed his orders to Alfred Terry, explained why he didn't follow his orders and Terry was obviously impressed, or at least happy that everything seemed perfectly reasonable. Reno was no longer in the valley, when Fred arrived to join and support him there, as you would expect to occur. Go quickly to the big village, Fred. ps please.
I shall now indulge in the twin tepees, some even allocate three of them and a small bunch of escapees running ahead of the cavalry, who hid out in a clump of trees as cavalry rode by them. Which tepee was set alight, that at the White Buttes or the one less than a mile from Ford A. Perhaps both were torched...... but far more interesting is why. Why broadcast your presence when entirely consumed with the risk of Godfrey's delightful scatyeration.
There is one logical reason, only. This was a message, a smoke signal to Terry and it was seen and understood by Terry and, l believe, Bradley and his scouts in Tullock Creek. Perhaps Benteen saw it also, blush.
Flying By saw soldiers attack the Hunkpapa tepees. All Indians that had ponies went to help them fight Reno, some were dismounted. His fight lasted only short time when his horse was shot. Soldiers went through timber and retreated to river. He went back to village for another horse. and Hunkpapa and Minneconjou squaws were taking down tepees.
As soon as Reno retreated, more soldiers were in sight from the village but farther down stream. The soldiers had four or five flags. Custer acted as though would cross and attack village. When he got to Custer, Indians had been fighting quite awhile.
As He Dog charged towards Reno, the soldiers left the timber in two bunches as fast as they could ride up the river. Indian scouts moved out also. He saw Benteen coming and quit pursuing Reno.
Tall Bull told W.M. Camp that Cheyennes call Little Bighorn the Goat River. Their village was at the north end of camp just as I have it. Here is the battle's fundemental problem for all students because the camp moved down steam after the Custer fight. Thus, a map relating to the village as it lay at 2pm, and one desribing it extending further downstream on that day, can both be correct to Tall Bull.
There were 3,000 people in Cheyenne village. Head chiefs Little Bighorn: Two Moons, White Bull, and Lame White Man, who was killed. Only part of Cheyennes and Sioux got into Reno fight in bottoms. Cheyennes did not learn soldiers coming until Reno attacked. The Sioux must have known of approach of soldiers but Cheyennes did not.
After returning from Reno, women going over east to get on high ground to overlook Reno fight discovered Custer coming. Custer got onto flat near Ford B within easy gunshot of village, and Indians drove him back.
Red Star's Additional Arikara Narrative interview went like this,
1 ~ When Custer stood at the bank where Hodgson's stone stands. Curly and Black Fox (Arikara) were there with him (Goes Ahead confirms this).
2 ~ Pretty Face reported that after he had joined the Arikara scouts he saw an Arikara with a white cloth about his head. Black Fox was the only Arikara with this on.
3 ~ When Black Fox reached the mouth of the Rosebud he met the older scouts already there. He said he and Curly got together near Reno ford. They went to the flat below hills overlooking the north side of Busby. Curly told Black Fox that for his part he was going home.
4 ~ On the ridges overlooking the place where the Dakotas defeated Reno, Red Star said he saw the pack-mules unharnessed in a hollow by their drivers, and there over one ridge to the north came three Crow scouts, Goes Ahead, Hairy Moccasin, and Crow-who-talks-Grosventre. They came to the Arikara scouts and told them to go back because the army was beaten; “the Dakotas kill the soldiers easy,“ that Curly, White Swan, and Big Belly (Crow) were killed. This news was varried by the three scouts to the Crow village at Pryor's Fork, ouch! (Pretty Shield/Red Mother).
5 The Crows, were intending to circle to the west and go home where they lived. The older Arikara scouts told the younger ones to take the Dakota horses down to the creek (near the sheep ranch) and water them.
While they were watering the horses they saw the older scouts chased by the Dakotas back on the trail and more Dakotas coming up to the Reno ford to attack the soldiers.
Then Dakotas attacked them and they left the horses and escaped. The younger scouts were Red Star, Red Bear, Bull-in- Water, Pretty Face, Little Crow, Red Wolf, Pta-a-te (Dakota), White Eagle, Bull. The older scouts were Stabbed, Strikes Two, Strikes-the-Lodge, Ca-roo(Dakota), Ma-tok'-sha (Dakota), Soldier, Boy Chief, and Little Sioux.
Analysis ~ 1 ~ Other Ree scouts placed Black Fox in the valley and present as tne companies deployed and fighting began. Goes Ahead did not confirm Black Fox to be on the bluffs, stating that he did not know the where Curley was. For Custer to have been present it was early in the fight and Red Star was in the valley fighting.
2 ~ William (Billy) Cross wore a white cloth about his head, when seen by Pvt. Wylie of Company D, as they advanced along the bluffs after Capt. Weir. This text is unfortunate confusion because Black Fox was known to Pretty Face as the son of his tribes chief. Pretty Face saw William Cross.
3 ~ Black Fox lagged significantly behind the two groups of scouts who moved for Powder River. After the valley fight, Black Fox drops from the record of events, apart from the second hand reference above, until joining the older scouts at the mouth if the Rosebud.
Curley's movements as given to W.M.Camp ~ ‘After I left the Custer battlefield, I went east and crossed the divide to the Rosebud and went down it to its mouth, where the steamer had ferried us across the Yellowstone before we started up the Rosebud. Here I found no one but found Gibbon's trail up the Yellowstone and followed it. I did not overtake Gibbon, but when I got onto the divide east of the Big Horn, I saw the steamer and went to it at the junction of Little Bighorn and the Big Horn. I arrived at the steamer about the middle of the forenoon of the third day [June 28] having been three nights on the way.
Sept 30, 1913 ~ I went on and got to Tullock's fork by dark. There I halted and next went to Sarpy Creek and down it to Yellowstone and up it, on south side, and saw camp over in Pease bottom. In that vicinity I shot and killed a bull (buffalo) and roasted some of the meat, which was the first thing I had to eat since leaving the soldiers.
I went on upstream and picked up Gibbon's trail and followed it to the steamer. On this trail I found fragments of hardtack to eat. After I got to the boat, a white man was going up to the battlefield and I went with him. When I got there the dead had not all been buried. I was sent back to the boat with a message and slept on the boat that night, June 28. I had only one horse when I arrived at the boat.
The white man was Bostwick, killed at Powder River in August. Conquest of the Missouri.
4 ~ Interesting news conveyed by three Crow scouts, obviously available to Benteen and Godfrey as packs were being unharnassed and possibly at the lone tepee nearest Ford A.
The Crows tell it as though they remained on the bluffs. Tepee Book, 1916 ~ Hairy Moccasin. 'We saw no more of Curley after that. I don't know where he went.
When we met Custer he asked, "How is it?" I said, "Reno's men are fighting hard." We went with the command down into a dry gulch where we could not see the village.
Custer told Mitch Boyer to tell us to go back to the pack-train, which we did. We met Benteen's command just south of where they afterward entrenched. We said to Benteen, "Do you hear that shooting back where we came from? They're fighting Custer there now."
We started to leave Benteen to join the Ree scouts who were quite a way back up the creek, but Benteen told us to stay, and we did. We went with him and helped dig entrenchments. The firing seemed to stop where Custer was, and the Sioux came toward us. Then Reno's command came back where we were entrenched.
5 ~ Here is the split of the Ree party, after which Cross met Herendeen as he reached the bluffs and scouts went down after scalps, a smoke and drink. They probably bumped into Hunkpapa racing back up the valley, after pickets Herendeen alarmed, reported 14 Soldiers in the valley. An interesting complication of Gall's 1886 press account of events.
Once, long ago, upon a hill far far away, glasses were raised (to the west ) as rising dust clouds heralded succour with relief of Maj. Brevet M.A. Reno and 7th Cavalry on the Little Bighorn. Startling tear inducing news shortly followed that it was a detached column led by G.A. Custer who were legless.
Previously, (according to the NPS) at the mouth of the Powder River, expedition commander Alfred Howe Terry (great name for an Indian fighter, How! ) met officers from the Montana Column who reported that Col. Gibbon's scouts (Lt. J.A. Bradley) had discovered an enemy camp in the valley of the Tongue River. Maj. Marcus A. Reno and six companies of the 7th Cavalry were sent southward to examine this valley further and Terry pushed on to meet the Montana Column.
This is one of this battle's unfortunate whoppers and one which (that) is little understood and therefore even littler (less) acknowledged by the increasingly bald headed experts who revel in the fine printed devilry of this battle's wonderfully fluffy cantancorous-nessity-ness.
In fact, Lt. Bradley advised How! Terry that Sioux were on the Rosebud and the camp had previously been on the Tongue. It therefore stands to reason this phase of the expedition is somewhat misunderstood and very cofusingly presented. There is absolutely no doubt that Jaz Bradley was aware of Sioux on the Rosebud before Gibbon met Terry. 2nd Cavalry were then sent east to scout along the Yellowstone towards Glendive. Oh yes they were.
So began the wearying and worrisome route to Far West and journey home for those wounded and of no further use in the hunt of the Sioux and Cheyenne buffalo hunting hunters of the Northern Plains. The first understanding of events was that Custer divided his strength, rashly attacked a superior inferior and was massacred with five companies as the balance of the regiment were furiously assailed (at the same time) several miles distant where they entrenched and stood off massed assaults on their line. T'was lies buried in truths.
Ground breakingly banal modern research of the battle is about to restore Custer's virtue and quench unreasonable faith in Reno by showing that Custer repeated the tactics employed eight years earlier to attack Black Kettle at Washita.
Lt. Col. Custer was not the amateur. He had successfully led and fought brigades of thousands of men during a fighting career spanning 16 years and did so at the head of the fighting men not the service corp. There was nothing amateurish or foolish about the man. He organised into 4 battalions and Major Reno led one, despite the tactics employed on 25.6, Major Reno was at the head of the left wing as second in command and the CO led the right wing. Within the right wing therefore Capt. Keogh and Capt. Yates led the battalions. Major Reno led a battalion, which was part of the left wing. Major Reno led the left wing and l doubt he would accept argument about that fact from anyone.
Benteen under orders from Custer, was a part of the left wing because Keogh rode with Custer who split the regiment into four battalions to make an attack. Two were with Custer, two with Reno. Keogh led the right battalion of the right wing just as Benteen led the left battalion of the left wing. Yates led the left battalion of the right wing. Had Maj. Reno been leading the right Wing then Capt. Benteen or Keogh would have led the left Wing. That isn't what happened. Custer led the right wing and Reno the left.
Custer had been promoted above his peers, from the ranks, so to speak, because he made things happen. He got the job done and often casualties were high though more often not so. Strike first, strike hardest. He was feted and honored as a succesful brave commander who got the job done and was lucky. Many other responsible and able officers around him were far more cautious but, a succesful attack by US forces that June morning would have ended the campaign there and then, saving considerable further bloodshed, expense and distress in a matter whose outcome was eventually inevitable.
Maj. Reno explained the situation existing that morning of 25th June, during his testimony at RCoI (page 499). Quote "Benteen came over to where I was. When he came over there I discovered the column was moving.....'
It is wonderful to have resolved the mystery of George A. Custer's death. He was shot at in the river and fell off Victory. Custer probably hurt his back or a leg maybe but held onto his reins and was able to remount his spooked thoroughbred which promptly bolted upriver, against the current until the General regained control of his very powerful mount and brougt him to the east bank, a little below the heights of Weir Point. His landing was witnessed by two men of Company C, whose poor horses had left them lagging beind the column to take a wrong turn onto the flat across opposite from Maj. Reno's skirmish line near timber where they could see a company guidon fluttering in the wind beside a tepee. The brave corporal who planted it there had been shot down immediately after so doing, amongst perhaps the the first of Maj. Reno's command to die, although records indicate this might in fact have been a sergeant, rather than a two striper.
Fortuitously, there at the river bank, across from a now empty, vacated village, Custer ran into a scout he had despatched to Maj. Reno. Ordering his two men of Company C back upstream, because Custer realised they would not reach the right wing from the river flat, the two company C men followed Custer down stream, although he vanished from sight almost immediately as Vic, plunged back into the river, headed now downstream with the currents aid.
The Crow scout Curley, during his ride down the bluff trail that is a little below, down river of Weir Point, saw the Corporal, who was probably a sergeant and amongst the first of Reno's command killed, being killed after planting a company guidon beside a tepee and related this fact many times after the battle but was consistently translated by interpreters to have stated, Bugler. The Bugler was killed in the camp. Having been dismissed by Custer after his errand into the valley, Curley returned up the trail onto the bluffs, where Mitch Bouyer was waiting for him. The tide of battle in the valley was turning and the ridges of bluffs becoming a busy dangerous place as Lacota warriors came to save a herd of ponies on the flat from Arikara scouts which Custer had instructed them to steal.
Climbing the bluffs, Curley saw the two troopers of Company C on the flat below as they tried to cross the river into the village but were opposed by warriors guarding the crossing place. Failing to make their crossing these two pushed on to take cover in a bend of the river as the village and east bank began to fairly hum and buzz with lndian presence and activity. Victory thrust down river majestically, guided by Custer to the right bank where his command waited, Compant E had remained at the river awaiting his return. The balance of the companies had moved a half mile or so down river behind a ridge of small hills shielding them from sight of the valley. Keogh had thrown his company onto a ridge some six furlongs back from the river, where bands of young warriors were proving something of a nuisance. His men dismounted, leaving horses towards the river side and were busy skirmishing to fight off this threat.
As the General hove into view at the river, Company E threw a volley into the opposite brush covering the CO's return. Custer was though drawing fire from the camp and wouldn't you know it, just as he mounted the bank he was unmounted again as Victory slipped from his grasp yet again, tumbling him back into the water. Custer certainly did not die thirsty. Company E now threw out heavy aimed fire as several men rushed to fish the general up onto the bank, recover his horse and at the general's insistence, his hat. Cooke was there waiting to bring his commander up to speed and in the snap of a finger, company E was moving up river to rejoin the command behind Greasy Grass Knoll, as behind them, up but actually down, the Medicine Tail Creek that was named Reno Creek, further bands of warriors were putting in appearance and there was no time to offer greetings, even though the Custer had ensured his hat remained.
Tom Custer was very happy and greatly relieved to see 'big brother' thundering up. That relief didn't last long. They met him at the head of the troops and Custer addressed him saying:'Tom, who in the devil moved these troops forward ? My orders and intentions were to make a crossing and capture the camp.......... . Keogh!!! Keoghooooo!
"He' isn't here at moment, George. Duty called and he's over.............. there." offered Tom earnestly.
Oh, my tiny little donkey. Five minutes. Five minutes i'm gone and it all goes to pieces. "Calhoun, Jimmy.........! Right, get over there on that hill to Keogh's right, send him order's to mount up and ....................... omg. They've run run off his mounts.............. l do not believe it! Get on that hill, send a man across to Keogh, my orders are for him to join you up there.
Custer held a consultation, calling Yates up onto the high hill for a better view of things. His Crow scouts came thundering in, White Man Runs Him let Custer know that things weren't all they could be in the valley with Reno's stand and modestly offered advice.
"You do the scouting, and I will attend to the fighting", Custer replied.
Right, there...... just beyond the village, that's where we cross, Cooke - dismount Company C and throw out a skirmish line here at the river, they cover the advance. Quite a little fight Keogh's gotten himself into over there. Hmmmm....... 10 minutes to two.
Mr. Yates, Here we go, columns of fours, buglers................ Charge! Let's get over that river.
Trumpeter, call halt! Yes, Captain. Corporal, rein in his horse. Yes, Captain!
George, are you ok? George!......... Throw him over his saddle. Captain, captain...... Yes, yes, l can see. l don't believe it but l see them. Trumpeter, blow the recall. Back, everyone back. They're on the left flank as well, sir!
Ride to Company C, ask Capt. Custer to cover us back to his line. Tiger's down.
That's better, get the men dismounted and lines formed. Doctor, here's the General for your attention.
He's ok, he's coming around, just stunned when he stumbled.
Wazza...... wazzew...... uhooooh......... ! Seven hundred and twenty dollars l paid for that horse, l don't believe it! Off, off, get off me doctor, right as rain! right as rain! Hmmmmm...... that went rather well.
We've pulled back, l see............. .
Yes George, ran into a wall of gunfire from the camp and hundreds of bucks moving around our flanks and more of them coming across every minute.
Well, George......... we've a li'l problem. Quite few weapons jams going on, some men are getting a little skitish. Hell of a racket coming from over in Myles direction as well and dust going up everywhere. We're losing men, Lords working with wounded now.
Sir, They're behind us, back up river, they're behing us. Doctor!
They're charging. See 'em off Yates, steady, volley.
We'll link up with Keogh. Pull Company C back onto that Knoll, we'll cover them then they cover us.
We have badly wounded?
They are coming with us. Off you go Tom. Good luck.
Yate's your men next, as soon as Tom deploys, pull back under his guns. Company E is rearguard. We'll keep our friends under two fires.
They are pulling off after C.
OK, lets move........... walk our wounded out.
Well done Company C, Well done. Right lets wave Company E, in. They have pulled back across us and downriver into the ravines, the pressure was telling. Look at that hilltop at the river, it's swarming.
Company E are up onto the ridge, right..... uhhhh! George!!! Lookout................. George? George, are you, ....... ok? Doctor!!!
Yates, we'll hold here and cover you back onto Company E. We've got to get the companies together and stand 'em off. You men, go prone or kneeling, we don't need more casualties.
Doc, how is he? Hmmm, well, he's alive.
Wazza...... wazzew...... uhooooh......... ! Seven hundred and twenty dollars l paid for that horse, l don't believe it! Off, off, get off me doctor, right as rain, right as rain. Hmmmmm...... that went rather well. We've pulled back, l see............. .
Yes....... 'F' are falling back on 'E', over to that knoll, there along the ridge and we'll hold the ridge. Nothing else to do.
Last Edit: Nov 28, 2017 19:15:10 GMT -5 by moderator
If it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, and looks like a duck ~ it is probably a goose.
Fascinating in the way that only fascination can fascinate.
Michigan in the Civil War Buck family.
Fifty-six letters (1861-1866) written by Andrew Newton Buck of Hillsdale, Mich., to his brother, Myron. There are detailed descriptions of camp life(quarters, food, pedlars and sutlers, gambling, foraging, picket duty); comments on officers, slavery, Copperheads, religion, and rebel deserters; an outline of the "Buggy Brigade" plan. He was in several battles (July2-8, 1863) and gives details of the cavalry's part in the battle of Gettysburg under Custer. Buck served in Company I, 8th Connecticut Infantry in 1861-1862. He was at home from April to November, 1862 because of illness, then re-enlisted as quartermaster sergeant in Company F, 7th Michigan Cavalry. He was transferred to Company C, 1st Michigan Cavalry in October, 1865, and mustered out at Salt Lake City in 1866. From there he took a stagecoach trip to California before returning home.
Forty letters (1862-1864) written by Curtis Buck of Englishville, Mich., to his brother, Myron, from Corinth, Miss., and Rome, Ga. He gives some details of camp life, foraging, scouting and skirmishing, but his chief interest is mail from home. Buck was in Battery B, 1st Michigan Light Artillery, taken prisoner at Shiloh, wounded in action in March, 1865, and confined at Macon and other places for fifty-three days.
The collection includes one letter (June 10, 1864) written by John T. Bettis of Alpine, Mich., to Myron Buck in which he tells about running a saw and gristmill in Chattanooga, Tenn. Bettis was an artificer in Company D, Michigan Engineers and Mechanics, 1861-1864.
Also one letter (Sept. 26, 1864) of Watt E. Brown, Company F, 128th Indiana Infantry, written from Decatur, Ga.
This collection is available on microfilm for interlibrary loan.
Last Edit: Dec 12, 2017 22:25:57 GMT -5 by moderator
If it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, and looks like a duck ~ it is probably a goose.