ambush Oct 21, 2015 12:35:08 GMT -5
Post by tunkasila on Oct 21, 2015 12:35:08 GMT -5
Correct Dan: I think Tunk is underestimating the effect of the V ambush of Reno. It was not necessary to destroy Reno with it but it took him out of action. So the otter creek/Reno ditch filled with poorly armed warriors stopped Reno's advance. Reno never came within bow range. The young warriors lacking the wealth of their elders probabley had single shot older guns and few of them. Windolph believed only half of all warriors (old and young) had firearms. It was not necessary for Reno to "throw his command in a ditch". On the other forum I took Fred's numbers and calculated travel time from the burning Teepe and Reno and Custer would have struck the Village within ten minutes of each other except for the ambush.
The otter creek ambush turned the entire battle. It freed the experienced well armed mounted warriors to all meet Custer on a single front.
At Ford B there is but a small bank to occupy behind the cut or cliff on either side. If I were the Indians I would be standing there waiting as well as hiden on the West bank ready to fire . Do you really want to wade across the river under fire? We know the Indians said they mounted a counter attack after the soldiers reached the river, We know soldiers milled in the River a few across, a few shot and fell in and 2 bodies found by Girard on the west bank.
Hunk true Indians had trouble keeping individual glory hounds from sallying (spelling ?) forth but this is more like hunting and I think anyone individual blowing the trap would not be well thought of. In the linear trap in 1873 Custer took the cue not from seeing those hidden but by the behavior of the bait. Crook in June I think felt the terrain would allow a very large force to remain hidden and trap his large force. In Cook's case it's hard to figure as he had such a large force and 150 Indians on his side. Reno's mind is harder. He mostly spoke of seeing mounted warriors pouring out the end of it but I would expect the otter creek ditch to be lined with willow sapplings and making it's presence know to the experienced eye.
Hunk do you have a particular historical example where a warrior exposed the gig and ruined the trap?
How do you reach the conclusion that I'm 'underestimating the effect of the V ambush of Reno' when all I posted was a line from a previous post of yours namely 'Cooke halted his charge for fear of an ambush' or some such? It seems to me that you're so dead set on your ambush theory that you post replies without really reading what the other poster has written. In any case, I've tried to help you as much as I can, so I'll leave you to it.
You might also note that my board name is 'Tunkasila' which some shorten to 'Tunk.' I'm not a member of Sitting Bull's tribe so I don't know where you keep getting Hunk from.