And thank you for admitting that SFRC is not a travel route. I knew you would come around when you learned the facts.
I appreciate your sense of humor. Probably most don't get it. I rode in a truck up SFRC to the 1874 Expedition site but you think it would not qualify as a travel corridor. Henry Weibert drove up SFRC Creek to his home in view of the battle site but you think it is not a travel corridor. From being on top of the battle site I watched the heavy farm equipment in SFRC in the hundreds of acres of flat fields but you think its not a travel corridor. The 1874 Expedition took wagons from the battle site to Lodge Grass but you think it is not a travel corridor.
I not sure what your point is. Are you saying that Indians never used it? Are you saying its not a travel corridor because you say so? I think all wide open flat valleys are travel corridors. It would be hard to find one where man has not traveled. In our era its easy to see. You can see the cattle travel corridors which leave a distinct path.
You were mistaken from the start I believe. You kept talking about Indians in the upper end of SFRC while I am talking about Indians near Reno Creek. There is no way to see Indians camp in SFRC near Reno Creek. Why would be there? Water
You made statements that Herendeen could not have told Custer about SFRC claiming he was never there. I think we both agree now that he was there and at the battle site.
I seem to recall that you don't believe that Benteen returned down Noname. Is that your current belief?
What seems most likely to me is that Custer wanted Benteen to cut of Indians in a VALLEY that they were attempting to flee once Custer came into sight in Reno Creek during his highly rapid move to contact. He did not know exactly where the VALLEY was located but somehow knew it existed. I believe he knew that from Herendeen. That is my opinion. I believe the order was to search for a VALLEY and engage if he found Indians. If he engaged he was to inform Custer. If he found nothing he was to return. That is exactly what Benteen did.
If Benteen was to continue to the LBH river valley he would be 12 miles upstream and hours late to the fight. There is zero chance that Custer wanted Benteen 12 miles upstream LBH river in my opinion.
We also know that the Sgt Major told Benteen to continue on to look for the VALLEY. Seems obvious that this VALLEY is before the LBH river.
Custer tells him to return if doesn't find Indians to pitch into. He would not be returning if his destination was the LBH river valley. He would just head north and join the regiment.
Please show us where the other drainages cut across the Wolf Mountains as easy as using SFRC.
That would be Reno Creek. There was a great big Indian trail right down the middle of it. I think even you would have been able to see it.
Did you have as much trouble figuring out that the Ho Chi Mihn Trail was a travel corridor?
You have tunnel vision. You keep wanting to start at the divide or the Rosebud near Davis Creek and go to the LBH river. That route would be Reno Creek. If you are at the divide and want to go to Lodge Grass you would not take Reno Creek. If you were camped in SFRC and Custer was coming down Reno Creek why would you run out toward him into Reno Creek?
Why not go upstream SFRC? Crazy Horses did it just a few days previous.
I think you need to go visit and drive SU Road. Its confusing because it goes everywhere my GPS called every road SU Road. We drove to the divide marker from SFRC. An old board member BC was along on that trip. It is an easier route than Benteen took for sure but it would add a lot of miles to the travel. Terry Craft drove her one ton dually to Thompson road and from there to the pavement. Chip drove me up to the battle site.
The only route that I rode horseback that I would not consider a travel corridor is the route Benteen took. There are places to narrow for a vehicle to make it. Benteen called these places defiles. They forced horses to go single file.
Hope that clarifies thing for you. I have previously stated it depends on where you want to go. You answer is always Reno Creek. Fleeing Indians camped a little upstream SFRC might have fled upstream SFRC. I believe the scouts saw indications that a camp was near there also.
You want to make sending Benteen and error. I believe Custer made the right decision at the divide.
You're confusing "Law Enforcement" with the "Art of War". They are not the same, as you, of all people, should know...!
I am reasonably sure that Washita was a divide and conquer. Right?
Defeat in detail, or divide and conquer, is a military tactic of bringing a large portion of one's own force to bear on small enemy units in sequence, rather than engaging the bulk of the enemy force all at once. This exposes one's own units to many small risks but allows for the eventual destruction of an entire enemy force.
Did you read my reply? You're responding beyond the message, and not addressing the message. Is Law enforcement always so obtuse? Maybe that's why their reputation has such a a low opinion among the educated.
You're right Robb I left out that your reply was not founded on fact. Sorry
My job requires a bachelors degree so are talking about masters and doctorates? My point was that divide and conquer is used all the time in Law Enforcement and I also had military experience using divide and conquer. A good LE example is what Comey attempted to do to General Flynn. Divide him from the President and use him to conquer Trump. How's that working so far.
Your comment was a typical obtuse comment you make. I think you don't understand that a divide and conquer tactic works on a force continuum and used by both law enforcement and the military. I worked with ROK Marines and they divided and conquered to extract needed intelligence. To make it clearer for you at one end of the force continuum it is verbal and the other end deadly force.
You implied that law enforcement should not be confused with the Art of War. I gave you a perfect example of the use divide and conquer by General Custer which fits the Art of War. You decided to show you didn't understand.
I think you are still mad over your math problem with rates of travel.
Okay, you are incapable of understanding the subtlety of the disagreement, which probably is not in your genes or nature. One may lead a horse to water, but it's up to the horse whether he wants to drink of the fruit of knowledge, or, remain thirsty and ignorant; not stupid, ignorant...!
Math is not your strong suit, by the way...!
Your are wrong. It has always been my strong suit. 4.0 GPA in all my math classes. I also had 4.0 GPA in statistics, field measurements, and the premed Genetics course.
Keep trying. You post as if you know something but what I did notice is the subtle difference between BS and coverup both which is present in your post. Sometimes they are funny but once in awhile it would be nice to content in regards to the subject.
Okay, Steve, go ahead and divide and see how much you conquer....!
Above is your original post which does not address anything in particular let alone LE or the Art of War. After my comment you begin your posts of narrowing it to mean the Art of War rather than the Law Enforcement I chose. Next you through your subtle difference game and I didn't want to play your game. So I showed to you that interview and interrogation in Law Enforcement and the Military are similar in nature in that they use divide and conquer as a tactic.
Do you think law enforcement is a homogeneous group and not different from state to state? James Comey would be an educated law enforcement officer. He is a disgrace to the FBI and law enforcement in general. They targeted retired General Flynn to entrap in a lie. It's all coming out now.
I have no clue how officers act in your state but in mine we took an oath to uphold the constitution. Some of our sheriff's have taken a public stand stating they won't enforce the stay at home order by the governor. As far as who appreciates us I go with those with first hand experience. I think the 6 people that I have pulled out of the water at various times who almost drowned would have a different opinion than your "educated". Seeing a person under water with their eyes open and arms reaching up but no movement is not something easy to forget. The woman along the Verde River who was slapped in the face leaving a full open hand red mark my have a different opinion. The numerous automobile accidents with some resulting in life saving might have a difference of opinion. I could care less about how you feel about law enforcement. Its the people in Arizona that count for me and in particular the ones I interacted with.
I won't take peoples guns unless they are used in a crime nor will any law enforcement officer that I know do that. It's unconstitutional. I treat people the way I would like to be treated.
If you're talking about officers that do unconstitutional acts of enforcement than I would agree with you. A badge has no authority outside the constitution but resolving it should be done in courts.
It's not possible to understand your sentence structure and ungrammatical use of the English language. Since we are in fundamental disagreement over the use and abuse of "force", whether in Law or War, and your efforts to make this polemic political, you're wasting my time.
Yes, higher Math is not your strong suit, as you have demonstrated over and over again, regardless of your GPA...!
Finally something we can agree on. I speed type this with two fingers and should review it but it's not in the cards. I fully admit that I am not a writer. I have spent a lot of years with a spelling and grammar checker for work but you will have to do with the raw form here. Some of us are writers and some do things. A few do things and write well.
Give me an example of your math demonstrations on my part. You're the one that took 60 and divided it by 20 and came up with 3 mph. The real data that I presented was 4 mph for 20 minutes, 8 mph for 20 minutes, and 12 mph for 20 minutes. For a horse it would walk for 20 minutes, trot for 20 minutes, and canter for 20 minutes. The total time is 1 hour. So try again to come up with what that average rate of travel would be. I assure you it is not 3 mph as you suggested.
If we are having a spelling bee you are the winner. If we are talking about moving a horse a various rates of travel over time you are the loser.
Post by benteeneast on May 6, 2020 14:14:30 GMT -5
I don't think people come here for spell check and grammar comments and they should be able to ask questions and make comments without the fear of someone checking them. Personally I don't care what you say. Your comments on S&G don't bother a Marine or Law Enforcement officer. So if you need to pick on someone let it be me. Leave the others alone. Please!!! Aren't you the one that picked on Fred's book without reading it? Such great skills you have and demonstrate.
Do we wish we were expert like you? Maybe but if that meant giving up all my field experience than I don't think I would trade it. My last few weeks were spent preparing a class to become officers and have a handgun, shotgun, and AR-15 skillsets sufficient to pass the FLECTC requirements for each weapon system. I am also preparing for training for State of Arizona officers in watercraft statutes and rules. Nothing during these classes requires that a student pass the Robb spelling and grammar evaluation. I am good with that. There was no written test or papers required to pass the AZPOST Mounted Officer School. We performed practicals and it was just me and my horse demonstrating skills. In the Marines again we did practicals where you demonstrated your knowledge Regards Steve