As part of my fascination with Custer and the Battle of the Little Big Horn I am researching a potential book on the 15 Englishmen (13 confirmed as dying at the Little Bighorn see attached) on their lives, family history and how they ended up at the battle alongside Custer that day! I would be grateful for any input, thoughts, direction from members to archive material or knowledge about those listed
Post by bandboxtroop on Oct 26, 2010 13:55:03 GMT -5
All I can tell you is that Willliam Heath of L troop born in Staffordshire England, died at Little BigHorn with his command and some POS from Schuylkill Co PA later in life stated he was Heath and escaped the Last Stand. He is among the hundreds of fake survivors but Heath and Finkle stand out as the top 2 posers. Both had science fiction books written on them. I think your find more info on 1Sgt Butler then any of the other Englishmen KIA at LBH.
Joe, First Sgt. Bulter wasn't English. All of my sources; Carroll, Hammer/Nichols and Williams have him born in Albany. Apparently Godfrey started the idea that Butler was English and had served in the British army. Godfrey was likely thinking of someone else; he mentions Butler's "ten years" in the regiment. Butler served in the Seventh from 1870-76; he enlisted in 1860 with the 2d Dragoons.
Post by bandboxtroop on Oct 27, 2010 1:07:09 GMT -5
Steve can you give me more info on Butler. He is listed in more then one source that he was English. I do have ancestry.com and Im sure I can find him on either American or British census for 1851 and 1861 British and if American 1850 or 1860 census. Do you have his age ? I would take Godfrey who knew him over modern day sources for the time being. Ill run him through the Civil War soldiers data base they now have US regulars on there, I never use the NPS data base. I take it you mean Albany New York as there are more then one Albanys.
Post by bandboxtroop on Oct 27, 2010 1:30:28 GMT -5
Only found one James Butler close to our guys age in 1850 census in New York according to records Sgt Butler was 34 at time of his death I found this one in Albany only 2 years off. As you can see he is black and there are no other James Butlers listed. Of cause the family could have moved. Name: James Butler Age: 10 Estimated birth year: abt 1840 Birth Place: New York Color: Black Gender: Male Home in 1850 (City,County,State): Albany Ward 1, Albany, New York Family Number: 2342 Household Members: Name Age George Butler 37 Catharne Butler 27 James Butler 10 Mary Butler 6 Lydia Butler 3 Charles Butler 0 Jacob Hotaling 57 Andrew Hotaling 14 Now on the British 1851 census I found over 10 James Butlers meeting his age. Anyone have a copy of his pension file that will show his place of birth. I find no James Butler in the 2nd Dragoons US Regulars in 1861. I did find a James Butler E troop 1st US dragoons in 1861 a private. Ill take your word he was born in NY. I know Pohanka had a lot of info on him.
It's not clear when Butler was first identified as an Englishman.
Both Ronald Nichols in "Men With Custer" and Roger Williams in "Military Register of Custer's Last Command" list Butler's birth place as Albany, NY. There were also claims filed for pensions by Butler's widow and mother which apparently didn't put the Albany place of birth in doubt.
Andy,go to the Custer Association of Great Britain web site. They focus on the European members of the 7th Cavalry, have two publications that they put out each year (just got the new one in the past week), and are very informative.