Capt. Frederick Whittaker Oct 31, 2013 17:07:49 GMT -5
Post by benteen on Oct 31, 2013 17:07:49 GMT -5
This is an interesting subject to further explore. Is it true that a large percentage of officers in the valley fight believe that Reno did the right thing?
Officer's who agreed with Reno's decision to retreat from the timber and leave the valley:
1) Major Reno
2) Capt. Moylan - experienced
3) Lt. Wallace
4) Lt. Varnum - experienced
5) Lt. Hare
Officer's who disagreed with Reno's decision to retreat from the timber and leave the valley:
1) Captain French - experienced
2) Lt. DeRudio - experienced
1) Lt. Hodgson
2) Lt. McIntosh
3) Dr. Porter
Experienced Indian fighting Frontiersmen who agreed with Reno's decision to retreat from the timber and leave the valley:
Experience Indian fighting Frontiersmen who disagreed with Reno's decision to retreat from the timber and leave the valley:
1) George Herendeen - experienced
2) Fred Gerard - experienced
1) Charley Reynolds - experienced
2) Isaiah Dorman - experienced
3) Bloody Knife - experienced
If we compare just the officers who participated in the valley fight, we get 5 in favor of Reno's decision to retreat from the timber and 2 opposed, with 3 abstentions.
If we compare the views of experienced vs. inexperienced Indian fighters we come to following:
2 in favor of Reno's decision to retreat from the timber, 4 opposed and 3 abstentions.
If we factor in the opinions of all the officers of the 7th in regards to Reno's decision to retreat from the timber, those who supported Reno's decision to retreat:
The 5 officers listed above. (Reno, Moylan, Wallace, Varnum, & Hare)
Those officers of the 7th who disagreed with Reno's decision to retreat from the timber:
1) Capt. French - experienced
2) Lt. DeRudio - experienced
3) Capt. Benteen - experienced
4) Capt. Weir - experienced
5) Lt. Edgerly
6) Lt. Godfrey - experienced
I respect your research, but I disagree with your summation. Certainly experience at Indian fighting is important, but even more important is the knowledge of commanding troops and beong responsible for them.
You give Herendeen and Gerards opinions the same weight as that of an Officer and I don't agree. The only thing they commanded or were responsible for was their horse. I would give them the same weight as an enlisted man. What I mean is, If Pvt Snuffy is on a part of a perimeter where he has good cover, no one getting hit, very little in coming fire, to him this is the best position in the world, he would like to stay there until his enlistment runs out, But at the other end, men are getting hit, there is some danger of being over run. The commander has to make a decision as to whats best for the entire battalion. I believe the only ones that can judge that are other Officers who were trained the same as Reno. And they all agreed that he made the right one.
As to French and Derudio. I read where Reno said to French "What do you think Tom" and French said "I think we better get out of here"
As to DeRudio.. I wouldn't believe "Count no account" if he said the sun would rise in the East
As to Capt Carter, Capt Benteen and others who said they could hold out for hours, I think they are wrong in saying that. They are only looking at a bunch of trees. They can have an opinion as to how good they feel the position is, but to say with any definity how long they could hold out, they would have to be there under the same conditions Reno was.
I look at it like the Maginot Line, A general could inspect this series of forts with interlocking fire and say they could hold out forever. But I would think that a French soldier that saw the nozzle of a flme thrower come thru the air vent and turn his brothers in arms into pieces of bacon would have a different idea of how impregnable it was.
Just a thought
PS....I told you Bill you would be kicking yourself in the fanny for clearing the air at the Round Table. Wait till Capt Clair sees my name. Just a warning. If you get a package from him, put it in the bathtub first, before you open it