Post by benteeneast on Mar 14, 2008 22:51:50 GMT -5
Sergeant Davern, Reno's orderlies: 20 to 30 rounds of ammunition
Using your example of Davern and your time of 10 minutes that would mean they only had 10 minutes left before using up 2/3s of the ammunition. I would guess if 1/3 is left it is time to go after more ammunition.
If Wier et al ran from Wier point could the packtrain alone make a stand there. I don't believe so. So now the Indians have the ammuntion, Custer wiped out. and Benteen and Reno in the timber. How is that any better than what happened?
Well, there are two ways of looking at it. In addition to your post above, I would add the other below:
Weir (as well as all the other companies) were ordered to "run away" from Weir Point by the 'ever intrepid' Major Reno. Had they stayed, I believe they would have done a fine job in holding out at this strong defensive position. You also mention an important point as well, no serious attack was made on Weir Point until after the Custer battalion was wiped out and the warriors released to concentrate on Reno again. Had the Reno/Benteen battalion not remained inactive for well over an hour, the Custer battalion might never have been wiped out to begin with, and the pack train and wounded would be safely ensconced on Weir Point.
Apparently the Weir Advance had ample opportunity to continue onward. Instead they sat there looking around. I believe Weir said he thought he was Custer "over there" but a sergeant looking through field glasses said they were Indians.
As they sat there and watched the end of Custer, the Indians noticed the Weir Advance then came at them. One trooper said it looked like a horde of grasshoppers coming at them.
Seems to me if Weir wanted to do something he would have continued right on while Custer was still alive and fighting.
Post by benteeneast on Mar 17, 2008 8:56:55 GMT -5
Weir's 50 men against 1'000 warriors?
Which 1000 are you talking about? Are those the extras not fighting Custer or are those 1000 turning their backs to Custer and running toward Wier. Only if Custer is wiped out is it 50 against 1000, right?
I see there was a mention of the Benteen note in the dawdling thread. A long time ago I thought everyone decided to let the dawdling thread die. Since then I have refused to post there.
The come on vs come quick has been discussed quite a bit. Fact of the matter is that Custer wasn't even engaged yet at the time of the message and had no idea how dire his circumstances would become. I don't think the message meant to come to him personally but to come up the bluffs into a supporting position for later orders. Later messengers such as possibly Butler or Foley never made it.