Testimony of Maj. Reno Sept 14, 2010 11:21:21 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2010 11:21:21 GMT -5
And, no you don't! Not at all, and this is part of what I am talking about. Keogh, you have this theory in your mind and no one can disabuse of it. You keep saying this phantom "half - dozen" say the divide was crossed between 11 AM and noon, yet you cannot produce them, or if you do, you take what they said out of context.
As far as I know, here is everything every participant ever recorded about what time the regiment was crossing the divide.
Walter Camp/LT Hare/LT DeRudio-- Camp mentioned to Varnum that Luther Hare told him the regiment halted around 10 AM about 1/4 to 1/2 mile east of the divide, and remained there until about 11:45 AM. Camp said DeRudio told him the same thing. He also wrote that DeRudio told him this was when Custer went “the second time to the Crows’ Nest to take a look at the valley of the Little Bighorn.” This was when Cooke borrowed DeRudio’s field glasses. (Camp letter to Varnum, 24Feb1910, On The LBH With Walter Camp, 100.)
McDougall, T., CPT-- About 11 AM Custer ordered McDougall “to take charge of the pack train and act as rear guard.” This was “on the divide between the Rosebud and the LBH.” RCOI, 1879, RCOI, 528. ("On the divide" is not the same thing as crossing the divide. If you read enough, a number of people referred to "on the divide" as being within a short distance of it while other things were occurring. It is not the same thing as a formed-up regiment, on the march, crossing the landmark.)
Windolph, C., PVT--H-- “It was a little before noon when our troop was formed up.” (Windolph memoirs, 1946, I Fought With Custer, 76.)
Wallace, G. D., LT-- At 12 M., on the 25th, we crossed the divide between the Rosebud and Little Big Horn. From the divide could be seen the valley of the Little Big Horn, and about 15 or 20 miles to the northwest could be seen a light blue cloud, and to practiced eyes showed that our game was near. (27Jan1877, Appendix, Official Report, Chief-of-Engineers)
Wallace, G. D., LT-- They halted at 12:05 PM, about 1/4 of a mile beyond the crest of the divide. The division of the command was made at this time. (RCOI, 1879, RCOI, 540.)
Wallace, G. D., LT-- They moved out at 12:12 PM. (RCOI, 1879, RCOI, 540, 541.)
Wallace, G. D., LT-- Wallace estimated this was 12 or 15 miles from Ford A. (RCOI, 1879, RCOI, 541.)
Wallace, G. D., LT-- From the time the command was divided to the time Reno and Wallace reached the LBH, Wallace looked at his watch only once. (RCOI, 1879, RCOI, 544.)
Wallace, G. D., LT-- “… we started out at 11:45, at 12:05 it [the march] halted and the division into battalions was made, it moved on at 12:12. That is the only record of time I have….” (RCOI, 1879, RCOI, 540.)
Benteen, F., CPT-- When asked about what time it was when he reached Reno Hill, Benteen said the only time he knew about was when LT Wallace told him it was 12:10 PM when he started off from Custer. (RCOI, 1879, RCOI, 405.
Edgerly, W. S., LT-- Edgerly recalled the separation into battalions occurring around 10 AM. He said that it was about 15 miles to the village and that it would take about 4 hours to cover the ground at a walk; and that the Seventh Cavalry was a very fast-walking regiment. (Letter to Graham, 5Dec1923, Custer Myth, 216. Again, this is merely the breakdown and Edgerly could have easily been mistaken because Custer formed the regiment up according to who reported ready first. It is also when B Company was assigned to the packs, so it has little relevance-- if any-- to actually crossing the divide.)
Reno, M. A., MAJ--Custer divided the regiment into battalions at about 10:30 AM. (Letter to T.L. Rosser, 30Jul1876; NY Herald, 8Aug1876. Custer Myth, 226. Yeah, well, we know of Reno's penchant for time errors. What kills me is that some people-- because this fits their theories-- are real quick to accept this "time" statement of Reno's, yet they will not accept his protestations of being sober. Very convenient!)
Reno, M. A., MAJ-- “As Lieutenant Wallace states, it was about 10 o’clock when… Cooke came to me and said, ‘The General directs you to take specific command of Companies M, A, and G.’ I turned and said to him, ‘Is that all?’ He said, ‘Yes.’” (RCOI, 1879, RCOI, 560. I think this rather proves my point, above... Wallace said what?)
DeRudio, C., LT-- The command was broken into battalions around 11 AM or noon. (RCOI, 1879, RCOI, 311.)
Mathey, E., LT-- Mathey thought they started out between 11 o’clock and noon, marched 6 or 7 miles to the morass, then 3 miles to the tepee, then 4 or 5 miles to Reno Hill [13 to 15 miles]. (RCOI, 1879, RCOI, 514. Where here does it say they crossed the divide at 11:30? Of course they started out before noon; the officers' call occurred almost a mile from the top of the divide!)
Godfrey, E. S., LT-- The command crossed the divide a little before noon. (Article in Century Magazine, 1892; "Custer's Last Battle," 21. Define "a little." Five minutes?)
Martini, G., TMP-- H-- None of the men were allowed near the officers and shortly they were on the march again, crossing the divide about noon. (Cavalry Journal, July, 1923, Custer Myth, 289.)
Wallace, G. D., LT-- Reiterated that the division of the command into battalions was made after noon on the 25th, on the western slope of the divide, just before the start of the small ravine forming Reno Creek. (RCOI, 1879, RCOI, 41, 42.)
Windolph, C., PVT-- H-- “It was around noon… when we crossed the divide between the Rosebud and the Little Big Horn.” (Windolph memoirs, 1946; I Fought With Custer, 78.)
Slaper, W., PVT-- M-- Toward noon there was a halt, and General Custer called his officers together and gave them their instructions. It so happened that my company, M, under Capt. Thomas French, Company A, under Captain Moylan, and Company G, under Captain Wallace, were elected to go under the command of Major Marcus A. Reno. (Slaper memoirs, probably around 1925; Brininstool, E. A., A Trooper With Custer, 17 – 56.)
Now if anyone has testimony from others claiming the divide was crossed earlier, I would certainly like to see it. Also, for the sake of reasonable accuracy, I am not in the least bit interested in compromise. Compromise may be fine when you have no other data and you have to fit an event between two nexuses, but that is not the case here.