Models... Oct 26, 2013 16:43:16 GMT -5
Post by keogh on Oct 26, 2013 16:43:16 GMT -5
Custer opening fire as given by WMRH. Is it your idea that WMRH was with Custer at the time he began firing. 'That was the first firing Custer did. It was the first firing Custer did that WMRH knew of. Relating that to the first firing heard as Reno and Benteen united, is a leap of faith.
The first firing that WMRH describes above was not, imo, the heavy firing and volleys reportedly heard about 10 minutes after the junction of Reno and Benteen's battalions on Reno Hill. The firing described by WMRH appears to have occurred about 25 - 30 minutes earlier by a single company (the Grey Horse Troop) at Ford B, and would have occurred as the 3 Crow scouts were galloping back southwards along the bluffs. It would have begun shortly after the start of Reno's retreat from the valley.
The three were on bluffs immediately overlooking the river and able to see Reno's fight through the dust. Obviously they did not see Custer at Ford B. My flavour of it is the later episode with 'E' moved on along the river and halted beyond the mouth of Deep Coulee, Custer with them and the companies along the second ridge from the river towards Deep Coulee. It is similar to King's thing.
I think the 3 Crows were long gone from the area when Custer's 3 troops moved down and deployed at the mouth of Deep Coulee. The timing of events suggests to me that the 3 Crows only saw the Grey Horse Troop as it approached the mouth of MTC (Ford B-1) and began to open fire there as a diversion. And even this observation described by WMRH could only have been made as they were riding a good distance away on the bluffs and not while they were standing on Boyer's Bluff.
I showed that Camp's drawing rules out the modern Cedar Coulee route. Varnum saw the gray's going over the ridge and down its west side as Curley told. Could it be that rather than reaching Finley or Calhoun terrain, Curley departed at 'F' after fighting there?
My understanding is that Camp was convinced that Cedar Coulee was the route used by Custer to reach MTC. My interpretation of Varnum's statement was that he saw the Gray Horse Troop going over Sharpshooter Ridge and then down its west side (which would the eastern upper portion of Cedar Coulee). I think Curley had left the 3 Crows earlier on the bluffs but remained there within sight of MTC, the Reno valley fight and Boyer's Bluff, thus was able to comment on the early movements and events surrounding these areas. The 3 Crow scouts did not see him further back on the bluffs and imagined he had left the area a lot earlier than he actually did. I don't think Curley went down to MTC or ever crossed over it to join any of Custer's command. I think he remained on the bluffs the entire time before leaving the area.
Warrior accounts of the fighting give clearly that Yellow Nose and Wolf Tooth fought seperate actions during the battle but probably running into one another as matters developed, this was separate from the large number of warriors who returned from Reno and also those which White Shield joined and moved downriver across GGR towards LSH. At least four different groups and those east of the river moving back from Reno also.
I agree with you that Yellow Nose and Wolf Tooth fought at different times and locations during the battle. I don't see any evidence that they ever ran into each other at any time. The large number of warriors returning form the Reno fight would arrive on the Custer field at a later time. I believe White Shield got there earlier as well and confronted Custer's squadron opposite the Real Bird ford (B-2) at the mouth of Deep Coulee.