Where did Lame White Man's Charge take place, was it near Deep Ravine or Calhoun Hill?
Good question here sherppa (say, you're not Tibetan by any chance? We've got some very good Tibetan restaurants here in NYC and the food is quite unique.)
Anyway, back in the old days, it was accepted nearly unanimously among battle students that Lame White Man's charge came out of Deep Ravine and was directed against E Co at the imagined South Skirmish Line on the flats just above that ravine. In recent years, this theory has been more or less dropped by most students (except for a few remaining old-timers still clinging to the old South Skirmish Line model) in favor of an attack much closer to the south end of Battle Ridge, via Calhoun Coulee (an extended branch of Deep Ravine). Two Moons actually locates Lame White Man's position on his hand drawn map at this location (along with Yellow Nose) and Lame White Man's marker noting his death site is located not far from that site and no where near the old South Skirmish line. From the location of his marker, it is likely he was shot by one of Keogh's troopers (either C or I) deployed on the west side of Battle Ridge at the time he made his charge. The current theory I adopt is that this charge was directed primarily at the horse holders of C Co deployed in Calhoun Coulee, just below Finley Ridge. Noisy Walking was also shot in this charge, his marker being found about 100 yards further downhill from Lame White Man. He would later stumble on down, mortally wounded, to Deep Ravine where he was found by his relatives after the battle. Well, those are my thoughts on it, anyway.
I agree with Bill, and will add that I think Lame White Man was with the larger group of Warriors that assaulted Calhoun Hill from the west on foot, not mounted. They left their ponies tied down by the river.
Many of LWM's Warriors were along Greasy Grass Ridge, and he may have been as well.
I think most of the mounted Warriors in this attack stayed down near the mouth of Deep Ravine, until they had a chance to break out to the east. I believe this charge was led by Crazy Horse, and went to the left of all the dismounted Warriors around Lame White Man.
Furthermore, I believe that both attacks occurred simultaneously while Yates' squadron was out of sight to the north. Neither CH nor LWM realized that any cavalry was up there...they were solely focused on Keogh's battalion on Calhoun Hill.
Keogh and Clair : Do either of you believe Lame White Man lead the Suicide Boys charge ?
Hi Cavtrumpet, good question. Based on the description of the Suicide Boys given us by John Stands In Timber, their attack did not come until near the end of the battle, and was directed against the survivors on Last Stand Hill, and I believe a portion of the command on Cemetery Ridge. Their main focus, imo, were the led horses in the low ground between those two positions. Lame White Man's charge, on the other hand, was one of the very first large scale assaults in the battle and occurred at the Keogh position, much closer to Finley Ridge and Calhoun Coulee, and I believe directed at the led horses of part of C Co being held in that coulee. So no, I don't believe Lame White Man led the Suicide Boys in their attack.
Post by cavtrumpet on Aug 21, 2012 16:16:14 GMT -5
My interpretation is essentially the same as yours Keogh. But Stands In Timber seems to suggest Lame White Man lead this charge w Suicide Boys. Interestingly, this group were mostly Lakota men. I'll have to go back and re read him tonight. I cant keep all these books at work. I do like to keep Centennial Mampaign, Custer Myrth and Lakota Noon handy though.
Thank you, I greatly appreciate the input. I have a hard time keeping the different theories straight in my head. Old theories and information versus new. Which leads me to another open ended question which I will post as a seperate thread.
p.s. not Tibetan, it is actually my American Eskimo's name.