More primary source evidence to support a Yellow Regimental flag used at LBH. This from the recollection of Edward Godfrey. It is interesting to note that Godfrey describes Custer's personal flag as being a blue standard with one or two white stars, apparently similar or the same as his Division flag used during the Civil War:
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Post by Doug Mills on Dec 31, 2019 23:45:06 GMT -5
I had a Great Aunt Alice Pinney who worked for a Detroit Flag Company/ American Flag & Banner Co. here in Michigan near Detroit. She was making flags & banners, as far back as 1934 for this company. I don't know the HISTORY of the business but wonder if this flag was created by them? With George Custer being from Michigan and near Detroit, I wonder if this flag has any connection to the company?
One of our members posted up this informative commentary at the LBHA Facebook group:
What was the fate of the Regimental Colour? For years, a myth has circulated that the Colour was left with the pack train and that the Colour in the Battlefield Museum today was the one carried into battle. A lot of the belief that the Regimental Colour was never carried into battle is courtesy of Colonel Graham, author of the Custer Myth. He was led astray by the Regimental Colour in the battlefield museum; he concluded that it must have been left with the pack train. However, numerous Veterans including Thomas Kipp of D Troop “were of one mind that after the battle neither Custer’s guidon nor the regimental standard could be found, and that the Indians must have taken them.” All told, there are apparently 19 separate statements that the Regimental Colour was taken (George Kush). I’ve identified the following: Dr. Henry O’ Paulding (July 8, 1876): Custer had “lost the regimental colors & 5 guidons. SGT Daniel Knipe (August 4, 1908 letter to Walter Camp): On June 25th he saw Indians carrying flags, “but it was not known on Reno’s Hill that it was company guidons, or either General Custer’s flag or the regimental colors which they had captured all.” Private Thomas Harrington, 7th IN, stated that the Indians “even made off with the colors of the regiment.” In addition, there is certainly evidence that the Colour was lost. However, there is definitive proof at least that the one carried at Little Big Horn is NOT the one at the Battlefield Museum. Several October 1868 photos show a Colour that does not match regarding the shapes of the eagles, scrolls and stars. There is also some- very controversial- information that the Colour lost may have been a non-regulation yellow as opposed to the 1876 regulation blue. August Seifert, K Troop said SGT Hughes “carried the Regimental flag. It was a yellow flag with an eagle…. The flag carried by Vickory was Custer’s brigade flag that he carried in the Civil War.” John Burkman, Custer’s Soldier servant, had the correct breakdown: “Vickory carried the regimental standard.” Edward Godfrey, who never stated that the Colour was left with the pack train, “Vickory carried the regimental standard, a yellow flag. The national flag was not carried on the expedition.” Interestingly enough, Godfrey told Walter Camp that “Robert Hughes carried Custer’s Division flag, a blue flag with one or two stars. He usually carried this on his campaigns. Says John Vickory carried the regimental standard, a regimental flag.” This configuration is reflected in the famous Paxson painting, created after extensive consultation with Godfrey. Displays: 1. Regimental Colour in the Battlefield Museum 2. 1868 Photograph for Comparison 3. Colour Depictions by Edgar Paxson 4. Regimental Colour by George Kush
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According to Blanchard Freeman who was there and heard and was told quite a bit about what happened and what the people who happened the happen want others to think happened - Something did happen to the Regimental colors and something was done with them which was and is little discussed then or now. George A. Schneider published important information about the battle, 100 years later and i'm guessing he is Cheyenne. The book was forwarded by John M. Carroll and details the infantry campaign of 1876.
On Aug. 29 there was an immense amount of shooting which killed several buffalo and provided camp with plenty of meat. 4 companies of cavalry went on the divide twards Musselshell to look for Indians and Capt. Logan lost his horse and complete outfit.
On 29 Sept, D Company marched 22 miles and camped 3 miles from Howe. Logan found his horse.
Oct 6. Reached home at 2pm. Here endeth the Sioux Campaign for us.
On June 9th,Wednesday - He was aroused by an orderly and called to the general. 'Went up and was told that I would be in command as he was going down the river to meet Terry on a boat. The long looked for steamer arrived in sight at noon and moored opposite the camp. Terry sent for all officers. Gen. T thinks it will be all through in about 20 days. Rained hard nearly all afternoon and snuggled down with Lilah and Bethany.
Information relevant to events of the battle was imparted to Blanchard but not published until 1976 in a little big book which is hardly known. Reno knew the hostiles had the colors - they were waved at him when he was asked if he would like them back.
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Would it surprise anyone to learn that Medicine Tail's sister guarded Custer's battle flag after his death in 1907 What? Custer died in 1907??? No - stupid. MT did. He settled near the battlefield and died in 1907 at the age of 49. Medicine Tail Coulee is on his land. Custer's Flag was used in annual ceremonies at Crow Agency and was eventually sold on and rediscovered in the 1970's.
No "right, left, or any other wing" of the Seventh Horse trumpeted Gary Owen on MTC, as the tune cannot be played on the valveless clarion bugles (keyed Eb) used by cavalry @ that time or for that matter, any valveless horn instrument, whatever the key. Flourishes, a few quicksteps & some marches like Colonel Bogey but certainly not Gary Owen. Can't be done.
If trumpet calls were indeed heard from the direction of General Custer's command they were most probably the "recall" & the "rally". And only sounded upon the direction of 26-year old Chief Trumpeter Henry Voss, as instructed by Adjutant William W. Cooke, who received his orders from the commanding officer Gen. Custer. In action, unless otherwise instructed (by verbal or written orders) troop commanders took their lead from the chief trumpeter.
Major Reno's trumpeters, never played a single note during the valley fight. Which came up for discussion @ the RCOI.
Recall was the call that Trumpeter John "Chinky" Martin, Co. H, sounded at intervals on the night of June 25th in response to trumpet calls originating in the Indian village. Martin's calls received no response.