Custer's Route to Medicine Tail Coulee? Jan 20, 2010 12:09:55 GMT -5
Post by conz on Jan 20, 2010 12:09:55 GMT -5
Not really. DeRudio made it clear that he was looking at his watch every 10 minutes. His watch time matches up with the estimated times of Girard, Porter, Reno, Godfrey, Davern & Mathey on the time Benteen arrived on Reno Hill. In every case it was about an hour before Wallace's 3:30 pm time.
So DeRudio wasn't at the officer's call, because he was a junior officer, and so kept his watch on local time?
Besides, if we decide to accept Wallace's claim that the regiment crossed the divide at 12 noon,
Well, we don't have to "accept" anything...it was simply his reference time. It was what Wallace called it. And all his subsequent times should be based on it.
For those officers who say they crossed at 11am, perhaps the true local time by the sun (not quite at its zenith), then their subsequent times must be based on that reference.
There is no "wrong or right" here, as to what they call the time they cross, eh? ...
...and we all pretty much agree that Custer was atop the Crows Nest at about 6 am (7 am watch time).....do you really think that it took Custer 5 hours to move his regiment a total of 4 1/2 miles up to the divide crossing after he spotted the village and decided to attack to keep them from scattering? That comes to a pace of just over one mile an hour! It just doesn't fit with what we know of Custer's nature.
This is a weird one that I haven't studied before...the timing of Custer arriving at the Crow's Nest, how long he stayed there, what he did when he got back to the regiment, and how quickly they moved out for the divide.
I think the evidence shows that they walked across the divide, did they not? They were going uphill all the way, after all, and wouldn't want to get strung out yet. Custer hadn't even developed a plan yet...was probably thinking about it on the way.
I don't get any great sense of urgency on Custer's part as he got back to the regiment from the Crow's nest, nor much as he sat there dividing the regiment up into battalions after halting across the divide. Do you?
My model has Mathey and the pack train crossing the divide just after 11:00 am. I adjust all of Wallace's times one hour earlier, as I believe they were tampered with for the RCOI.
How much earlier than the trains do you think the lead company of the regimental column crossed the divide?
OK. Here are my proposed times for the pack train. They cross the divide about 11:15 am (they continue to move up to the divide as Custer halted to organize his regiment into battalions and send Benteen off on his recon. We give them 15 min. to water and 15 minutes to close up at the lone tepee. According to Mathey, they arrive (at least the head of the pack train) on Reno Hill at 3:00 pm. That means they traveled about 13 miles in about 3 hours and 15 minutes (minus the 30 min. for stops). This would give the pack train a pace of 4 mph on their trek down Reno Creek.
That is my model, as well, although I use a noon crossing time as a reference, thereby putting the trains with Reno at just after 1600. But same timing...just calling it something different.
The problem with this scenario Clair, is that we must assume Custer sat for 5+ hours twiddling his thumbs east of the Crows Nest before crossing the divide at 12 noon. Knowing what we do about Custer, that's quite a large slice of watermelon for anyone to swallow.
I'll look into the early timing next..."pre-divide" time-space relationships. Perhaps Custer didn't look into the valley until 7am?