Lt. Charles (Carlo) De Rudio - A Co. Oct 7, 2010 11:59:31 GMT -5
Post by blaque on Oct 7, 2010 11:59:31 GMT -5
Oct 7, 2010 7:57:21 GMT -5 @conz said:Perhaps, but he does say that on the other side of this creek he crossed that there were tipis:
"It was now discovered that on the other side of the creek, in a park-like clearing, there were a few lodges, and the whole line crossed the creek to find the lodges deserted..."
Does anyone think these tipis are on Reno's side of the river? If you do, then you have to be describing action way up on the end of Garry Owen bend, right into the Hunkpapa village, not any "Spotted tail" village on the east side of the river.
Is that the action you think DeRudio is describing?
I don't see it that way...looks to me like he is describing action out the BACK SIDE of Reno's future timber position, not up and around Garry Owen loop, eh?
So because of the tipis, your choices are:
1) DeRudio plays with the guidon up around Garry Owen loop, or
2) DeRudio recovers the guidon on the backside (north) of Reno's timber position across the LBH creek.
I'm still convinced it was the latter...do many think it was the former? Is there any other option?
DeRudio says “the whole line crossed the creek”, not just a handul of men. So it’s impossible he’s referring to the LBH river; besides he described the obstacle as a dry creek. Furthermore he talks of a few lodges in a park-like clearing… and both Maguire and Gibbon testified about having seen traces of a small camp in a clearing in Reno’s timber. So it’s quite likely that there were a few lodges/wickiups a short distance in front of Reno’s timber line, which were reached by some of Ryan’s men (at least Willber, Meyer, Turley and Rutten), and perhaps and later on by some G or A troopers. As to the latter possibility, some native sources talk of a half-hearted advance of the soldiers after their retreat to the timber, which might correspond to the frustrated attack of G under Reno, as per Varnum’s testimony.
Remember also that Gibbon made a second examination of Reno’s timber from the other side of the river, testified about the steep banks the same as DeRudio, and found no good place to cross: in order to get across he had to ride up the river well beyond the point of timber. This does not mean that the river was impassable at the Reno timber area; but had DeRudio & co. made this difficult crossing & recrossing, no doubt he would have been more specific about his exertions to carry out such a risky operation under fire.
By the way, Gibbon rode twice the full extent of the wide flat opposite Reno’s timber, and he made no mention of any village in the area. I know Lt. Long got from some native informants that about 20 warriors from Spotted Tail Agency “were encamped at the upper end of the village, on the left bank of the LBH” (Long’s report to Adj. Baldwin at Fort Keogh, June 27 1878). But who has moved the location of that small camp to the right bank? Or are there other sources contradicting Long’s report?