That is a noble opinion, and you are a fine man. Do you think Robert Lee thought so? Or Napoleon? Or Custer? Or Patton?
Or Chesty Puller?
Sir, thank you for the kind words. As to Patton, Custer, and my beloved Chesty Puller etc, I have no answer. I have no idea what makes them tick. My opinion on war may be viewed as being a wimp, but I'm not foolish enough to not realize that in time of war we need these people to win the battles.
Remember sir, I said I was a Marine, but I never said I was a very good one
Be Well Dan
PS- Every day the church celebrates a different Saint. Today I learned at mass the honoree was Saint Clair. So my first cocktail of the evening will be for you sir.
I think you were a fine Marine and good Soldier. There is no requirement for Soldiers to enjoy the anticipation of combat. As they say, it is a mixed bag, not really a "fun" one to be desired. But if you feel you have to go, you may as well make the best of it!
There is excitement and thrill in any competition, and the more dangerous or higher the stakes the more the rush. Any roller coaster rider will testify to that.
What is different is the desire, the need, to kill another person. That's the hardest hurdle, I've been told. And then the horror of having your best buds get maimed and die around you. Never get that out of your system completely.
So all sane people are wise to avoid combat if they can, but again, if it needs to be done, you'll find the motivation can be very exhilarating too, especially if you WIN (and the other guy loses)!
Remember the testimony of Reno's men joking and laughing as they were firing at the Indians surrounding them on their skirmish line in the valley? That's the fun part. Remember their attitudes as they raced for their lives to scramble up the bluff, abandoning all pretext of trying to cover their buddies? There's the down side.
No matter how good you are, you have to get there first...
Yes Dan, but the idea that the hussar's patron saint was a member of the opposite gender is really a shock to a tried and true hussar you know. Well I suppose it would be OK if Saint Clair was a Hussarette in a previous portion of her life, before she left Assisi and became a nun. I will check into that. The next thing we might discover is that Saint George is a misprint that should read Georgina.
Billy: You are such a party pooper. I had visions of Clair following his patron into the convent and now you have spoiled it all. If I ever get to Eastern Colorado, as we call Kansas, I shall insure that you will be suitably flogged. I got the idea for that punishment from reading Treasure Island. Aye, Keelhaul the Bosun. Reduce his rum ration. Shiver a timber or two. Aye.
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Clair: How do I break this to you gently? Saint Clair whose feastday in the Roman Catholic Church is today was a girl.
Not MY St. Clair...where did you get that?
The story of my namesake is that he was a Norman/English monk who spurned the sexual advances of a local duchess. He fled to Normandy and was in a forest chapel administering to the local peasantry when her assassins found him and spilt his blood right on the altar.
Fruit doesn't fall far from the tree...what were my parent's thinking?!
PS...Here are the details, off the web...my name comes from the French side of my family:
I am forwarding the story of Clair's death (later St Clare or Clair) to John Quarterman who may wish to include parts of it on a web page.
Briefly, Clair was born in Kent in England of a noble family and, naturally, his father wished him to marry a rich heiress who lived close by. She, being aware of Clair's austere and celibate life, used all her feminine charms to try to seduce the young man. She failed miserably. Being rich and accustomed to getting her own way, her love turned to hatred. She swore to revenge herself on this hapless young man.
Clair's only hope in escaping the murderous intentions of this female was to seek refuge on the Continent. He landed in Neustria (now known as Normandy) where he lived as a hermit. His fame as a healer began to atttract attention and, although he moved his hut from place to place within the forest, it became the focus of attention for people seeking cures.
Clair's abrupt departure from England further inflamed the rich heiress who sent her agents to France with instrctions to find and kill him.
On the 4th November, in the year of our Lord 884, they found Clair in his simple hut on the edge of the River Epte. His end was swift because one of the agents beheaded Clair whilst he knelt in prayer. (That is why he is frequently depicted, like St Denis, holding his head in his hands.) The blood flowed copiously from his neck but a new spring came out of the ground and washed away all signes of it.
The manner of Clair's death increased his renown. The simple hut was transformed into a Chapel and eventually a Church was built on the spot. Ten years after the murder enough houses were built at the spot to establish a village which was named, St Clair, after the martyr.
Another of your correspondents quite rightly points out that St Clair-sur-Epte is situated on the left bank of the River Epte and was part of the Isle-de-France which belonged to the Chaumont-Quitry family with whom the St Clairs were inter-related.
There has always been some 'confusion' as to which of the many places called St Clair or St Clare in France, the St Clairs took their name from. You have a wide choice but the distinct branches of the family emanated from St Clair-sur-Epte, St Clair-sur-Lo and St Clair d'Eveque.
I will give a list of the St Clairs of France when I can find that particular file amongst the numerous files in my possession. In 1994 I sent a research team to France to trace the St Clairs there and the families with whom they were or became inter-related such as the Chaumonts, Gisors, d'Evreux, de Bar, de Courcy, Plantard, Blois etc. The St Clairs were the Earls of Senlis and Corbeil and protected Paris from the North which is why that City has the St Clair engrailed cross in its coat-of-arms."
Clair: It seems that that Clare (Clair-Claire) Offreduccio is celebrated not only by the Roman Catholic Church, but by the Anglican Communion (Episcopal in the U S ) and Lutheran faith as well. Like I said quite a woman and definately not a hussar type. She stoped the capture and sacking of Assisi on two seperate occasions by kneeling in prayer at the city gates. Stoped them cold both times. Not bad.