It's not my rubbish. It's what the Army from the top down used to estimate this. If you don't like it, take it up with Custer, Sheridan and Sherman and those people in charge of the Indian agencies. And you'll kindly note, I gave a range of estimates based upon those numbers. Now if you'd like to rewrite history, please feel free to do so at your own peril.

I did not say it was

*your* rubbish, but it was rubbish that

*you quoted* And yes, if those 2.5 warriors per lodge would be the historically accepted average for a 1875 Lakota village, I would try to rewrite history. But that is not necessary, as the foremost authorities on 19th century Lakota politics and demographics, Kingsley Bray and Ephriam Dickson, have published the numbers on which I based my calculations (and accusations). And those numbers themselves are based on actual, rigorous

COUNTS, conducted by the military or under military supervision.

Even one COUNT with a high degree of confidence trumps any number of ESTIMATES of unknown confidence level and systematical error.

That number of 2-3 warriors WAS apparently used by some of the contemporary military, but so far no one has produced any solid data that would actually support this guesstimation.

Wanna bet?

400 tipi's / 1000 warriors / 2000 Indians

Cheyenne 076 tipi's 190 warriors.

Brule... 048 tipi's 121 warriors.

Oglalla. 101 tipi's 252 warriors.

Minnico. 040 tipi's 100 warriors.

Sans Arc 030 tipi's 074 warriors.

Blackft. 038 tipi's 095 warriors.

Hunkpapa 067 tipi's 168 warriors.

The sweat lodges would have numbered about 020.

The wikiups for the transients was about.. 380.

The total number of warriors being around 1380.

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560 tipi's / 1400 warriors, 2800 Indians

Cheyenne 091 tipi's 227 warriors.

Brule... 058 tipi's 145 warriors.

Oglalla. 121 tipi's 303 warriors.

Minnico. 048 tipi's 120 warriors.

Sans Arc 034 tipi's 085 warriors.

Blackft. 046 tipi's 114 warriors.

Hunkpapa 081 tipi's 202 warriors.

The sweat lodges would have numbered about 028.

The wikiups for the transients was bout... 372.

The total number of warriors being around 1772.

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0640 tipi's / 1600 warriors, 3200 Indians

Cheyenne 121 tipi's 303 warriors.

Brule... 078 tipi's 194 warriors.

Oglalla. 162 tipi's 404 warriors.

Minnico. 064 tipi's 160 warriors.

Sans Arc 047 tipi's 118 warriors.

Blackft. 061 tipi's 152 warriors.

Hunkpapa 108 tipi's 269 warriors.

The sweat lodges would have numbered about 032.

The wikiups for the transients was about.. 368.

The total number of warriors being around 1968.

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880 tipi's / 2200 warriors. 4400 Indians

Cheyenne 152 tipi's 379 warriors.

Brule... 097 tipi's 242 warriors.

Oglalla. 202 tipi's 505 warriors.

Minnico. 080 tipi's 200 warriors.

Sans Arc 059 tipi's 147 warriors.

Blackft. 076 tipi's 190 warriors.

Hunkpapa 135 tipi's 337 warriors.

The sweat lodges would have numbered about 042.

The wikiups for the transients was about.. 356.

The total number of warriors being around 2556.

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And here is your (Fuch's) ridiculous number.

330 tipi's, 825 warriors, 1650 Indians.

Cheyenne 062 tipi's 156 warriors.

Brule... 040 tipi's 100 warriors.

Oglalla. 083 tipi's 208 warriors.

Minnico. 033 tipi's 083 warriors.

Sans Arc 024 tipi's 060 warriors.

Blackft. 031 tipi's 081 warriors.

Hunkpapa 056 tipi's 138 warriors.

The sweat lodges would have numbered about 017.

The wikiups for the transients was about.. 383.

The total number of warriors being around 1208.

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There is a major problem with this. It doesn't even reflect the number of lodges found along the trail by Custer and his men, which was reported to have been in the 400 tipi range and there were two of those camps not 1. And what is known for sure that other tribes and bands were gathering for the Sundance and wasn't disbanded yet.

what puts the clincher to this is the stated width of the Indian encampment, which ranged in several hundred yards up to 1/4th mile for each circle. So if the largest number of tipi's, with the largest number of warriors was a 1/4th mile in width. How many tipi's could one expect to get around just the circumference of this one camp circle? One supposes that Pi*radius squared has something to do with figuring such a beheamoth and of course knowing the average width of a tipi, to leave enough room to get around it plus the spacing between each so as not to overcrowd or be so far apart as to be ridiculous for that circumference.

In Fuch's example, with the Oglalla tipi's number at 83, using the tepee's diameter as 10 feet, there would be 1 10 ft. tipi and then 40 feet to the next tipi around the circumference of this quarter mile in diameter circle.

In the 400 tipi/1000 warriors example The Oglalla would have 101 tipi's. In this example using the same tipi diameter, there would be 1 10 ft tipi and then 30 feet to the next tipi around the circumference of this quarter mile in diameter circle.

In the 560 tipi/1400 warriors example, the Oglalla would have 121 tipi's. In this example using the same tipi diameter, there would be 1 10 ft tipi and then 24 feet to the next tipi around the circumference of this quarter mile in diameter circle.

In the 640 tipi/1600 warrior example, the Oglalla would have 162 tipi's. In this example using the same tipi diameter, there would be 1 10 ft tipi and then 15 ft to the next tipi around the circumference of this quarter mile in diameter circle.

In the 880 tipi/2200 warrior example, the Oglalla would have 202 tipi's. In this example using the same tipi diameter, there would be 1 10 ft tipi and then 10 ft to the next tipi around the circumference of this quarter mile in diameter circle.

AND, yes what I posted was rubbish, what I quoted wasn't. You got it entirely wrong and never called me on it once, even when others did. And now for posterity....your quote "I did not say it was

*your* rubbish, but it was rubbish that

*you quoted*"