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Post by Gerry on Sept 14, 2013 13:48:10 GMT -5
I see you have met the very lovely and vivacious Ms. Pac. She was at the Gettysburg Conference last year and was quite the center of attention among many of the young gentlemen at the Conference. I remember her well. garryowen, keogh Why yes Sir, I did meet the lovely and vivacious Ms. Pac...she was the belle of the ball. It must be the southern ties of the Benteen's. Gerry
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Post by Gerry on Sept 14, 2013 9:11:55 GMT -5
Got my September 2013 LBHA newsletter today. They have a pic of me on the cover in a yellow shirt. Inside of the back cover page is a pic of Gerry standing by Myron Steves and others. One of them is over a hundred years old, U pik which 1. bc Ya, if the picture of me was in color, as yours is, it would not have shown me with white hair, maybe dark like yours in color. I very much enjoyed the visits with the Steves (Benteen) family. From the view of the Crows Nest on the divide, to the visits in the convention. The picture of Myron and myself (black and white) you will find his grand-daughter standing beside him. She is now Mrs. Pac. (I think that is correct spelling). In the picture she is wearing my 74 jacket. I then told her to reach into the inside pocket and she pulled out my copy of the W.W. Cooke, Benteen come quick message...PS bring PAC. That is what she is holding when the picture was taken. The great-great-grand daughter of Capt. Benteen is now a Pac. It was an enjoyable conference. Gerry
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Post by Gerry on Aug 21, 2013 10:39:46 GMT -5
bc,
Thanks for posting up the video.
Though I did not go on the ride, I let my hands do the talking for me. Robin caught the essence of my conversation...
Gerry
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Post by Gerry on Mar 26, 2013 6:05:36 GMT -5
Keogh, Happy Birthday to you. Gerry
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Post by Gerry on Mar 12, 2013 21:03:16 GMT -5
Just read through “3,411 Revisited”
If the article would have put forth that 3411 is the correct location of General Custer waiving his hat as seen by Reno’s men moving down the valley and dismounting, I would agree. I would also agree that Sharpshooter ridge was not where this took place. There was a lot of action that took place in and around 3411 and in my estimate it would not have been SSR.
Now the problem that I have…Fred states that Custer was all about speed. But here he puts Custer at 3411 watching the beginning of Reno’s fight and then uses DeRudio statement of seeing Custer on the bluff 5 minutes before Reno’s retreat out of the timber. So according to this article Custer stayed at 3411 for the entire Reno fight…the dismount, the forming of skirmish lines, the advance of the lines, the temporary holding of the line, the retreat back to the timber, and the Reno’s call for charge out of the timber, all with Custer on 3411. Where does the speed come into play.
The fantasy dismissal or mistaken fantasy is present in the article. The author does use the pure fantasy understanding of accounts and totally dismisses primary accounts because of his believe that some accounts are pure fantasy.
I can not believe that Custer stayed at 3411 for most of the Reno fight. If Custer was about speed, something like this would have occurred. At 3411 Custer would have seen Reno reaching the timber and dismounting. Custer moving north along the ridge along Cedar Creek, with the Crow scouts trying to catch up after leaving 3411, the 5 troops move down Cedar Creek. Custer moving around the east side of Weir Point, with the 5 troops now moving into Medicine Tail Coulee. Custer moving toward the east side of Boyer’s Bluff and dispatches Martini. Custer sends Co E to Ford B. Custer moves atop of south Boyer’s Bluff with Cooke and one other person, just as DeRudio looks up from the timber and sees the men on the bluff. Reno calls the charge from the timber.
Martini dispatched 6,431 feet from Ford B, cutting back to the east side of Weir Point 500 to 600 yards, looking back seeing troops falling back from the ford, early withdraw of E with little shooting. Martini continuing ¾ mile puts Martini right back at “3411” where Custer first saw the village. Martini looking down in the valley sees Reno is engaged. The General is atop Boyer’s, DeRudio sees this, 5 minutes later Reno calls the charge out of the timber.
Custer can not still be on 3411 when DeRudio sees someone on some bluff, 5 minutes before Reno retreats from the timber.
Gerry
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Post by Gerry on Mar 12, 2013 7:24:29 GMT -5
bc, Good to hear from you. Just the other day I wished you would chime in but heard nothing. You must have moved on a left oblique and we expected you to pitch into what ever you came across...but nothing we have not heard from you till now. Dawdling, I suppose.
Hopefully will see you at Sheridan.
Fred's "3411" is here to stay.
Gerry
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Post by Gerry on Apr 14, 2012 9:09:18 GMT -5
April 3, 2012 LBHA Newsletter has a follow-up article by Don Horn, "Did Custer Plan to Follow Reno into the Valley?"
Don Horn continues with his belief that Custer believed that the village was on the move when he sent Reno into the valley. The meeting of Girard with Cooke at the knoll at the mouth of Ash Creek is the main reason Horn puts forth. Cooke would still be there awaiting Custer to come up. It was not till Girard reached Cooke and informed of the Indians coming out to meet Reno and the village was still standing that Custer changed the plans and moved to the north.
Horn puts forth the thought that Custer would not have sent Reno's three companies into a standing village, but only into a fleeing village. The most Reno should have encountered where the "rear guard" to protect the packing and fleeing village.
Horn also made comment to the fact that Varnum and the scouts where sent with Reno. A significant point as the scouts where generally not used as combatants and would not be used to hit a standing village.
Horn believes that Custer had misread the situation. After receiving the Girard information from Cooke, Custer moved to the north and arriving on the bluffs saw the village was indeed not running, Reno committed in the valley and Benteen off to the south; the best to do is send for the packs to come up and Benteen to come on. With Custer's 5 Company's, Benteen's 3 Companies, McDougal's Company, and the 80+ troops with the pack train, this would provide enough power to hit the standing village.
Don Horn article puts forth a compelling read of the battle in the early stages as Reno goes into the valley. Well worth reading, short but to the point.
According to LBHA Newsletter Editor, Joan Croy, Don Horn will be presenting some more articles for the newsletter.
Gerry
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Post by Gerry on Jan 23, 2011 13:26:30 GMT -5
Bushmills Irish whisky: hot toddies, “Rosebuds” i. nutmeg ii. lemon iii. sugar iv. Angostura bitters v. champagne cider vi. spiritus frumenti Best wishes, Fred. Your above reccipe could be the "Concocted" mix.
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Post by Gerry on Jan 23, 2011 13:20:18 GMT -5
Have read about Gibbons soldiers making ROESBUDS.. Never could find what was in one. What is your source.... rosebud From the LBH Diary, Willert. Gibbon, May 28, camp on the Rosebud. "whiskey and champagne cider" "some of the adventuresome and creative of the party 'concocted' a mixture of the two liquors, and came forth with a drink which 'speedily won favor'...'christened' it after the name of the local confluence-and Rosebud it became." I have replaced champagne cider with Apple Cider. The 2 to 3 is just a good mix. Gerry
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Post by Gerry on Jan 22, 2011 16:25:22 GMT -5
Well, the snow quit and the wind went down... the horse came out... fed him and looked at the roads... snow plow, will see if it comes by Monday.
I just fixed a COUPLE of Rosebuds... Whiskey and Apple Cider ,2 to 3.
The sun has come out and it is just beautiful out, don't know about barefoot it is 11 degrees.
Old Pete, new this eastern Montana down at Alzada.
Gerry
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Post by Gerry on Jan 22, 2011 11:35:12 GMT -5
I have decided not to go today. Eastern Montana Blizzard... Gerry
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Post by Gerry on Jan 2, 2011 20:54:19 GMT -5
Melani,
Yes, come June we will get together. I have always wanted to make it to the Keogh sector, if that's were you will be. Let me know. I'm planning to make camp at the same spot I was at last year.
The distance to NYC or Montana is a Little Big for you.
Gerry
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Post by Gerry on Jan 2, 2011 20:29:32 GMT -5
To All, You are cordially invited to a Montana Roundtable, Little Big Horn discussion. When Saturday, January 22, 2011, 1-5PM Mountain Time. Where Miles City, Montana. At the Historic Olive Hotel and Bar. Below the 1955 picture "After The Battle" by J.K. Ralston, 17'X4' in size. The NYC Roundtable has been a success for the members who have made their appearance in NYC. Let us, in this part of the country, get together and have a good old fashion discussion of the Battle of the Little Big Horn. For further information please send a message to Gerry at this website. The Hotel does have rooms if required, there many other motels in Miles City. Regretfully the restaurant has recently closed but there is other food establishments close by. The Bar opens at 1PM. There will be members of the LBHA present but it is not required to be a member to come in and visit. Make plans to show up January 22, and we will see you there! Gerry
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Post by Gerry on Feb 25, 2009 0:35:29 GMT -5
The Big Horn Mountians have less than 20 inches. But the feed to the Little Big Horn there is not almost no snow. The Powder River the last couple of years has been close to not running. Come June I say it will be Hot and end of the runoff. Here is a link to view SNOWFALLas of today.
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Post by Gerry on Feb 12, 2009 7:52:32 GMT -5
Private Peter Thompson wrote about preparations for the march:
“After Custer’s return, we were not long in doubt as to our future plan of action. We were put to work and kept busy overhauling stores, sacking grain, etc. Wagon trains also began to arrive from other posts to be loaded with grain, food, ammunition, tents, pack-saddles, and such other articles as are necessary for a campaign. The work was heavy, but we performed it cheerfully. The object of this work and hurry was a matter of conjecture with us. We knew we were going to move, but in what direction was a secret to all but those in command. By the end of April everything was in order, preparations fully completed and the soldiers waiting for marching orders.”
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