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Post by strange on Oct 30, 2011 18:59:46 GMT -5
I am sorry I have missed out a good debate here, but at the weekend the computers busy. About Ike, I seen a program the other night, and this old British soldier said that he met Ike at a check point in the south of England just before D Day, he stopped Ike’s car and asked for ID, Ike just pulled out his wallet and said here soldier it’s in here, and handed the wallet over, the soldier found it and passed it back, and Ike just smiled and the car passed. Now this sounds like the lighter side of Ike, but earlier in the war he wanted Churchill to kill off General De Gaulle, Ike didn’t trust De Gaulle and said that guy will sell us down the river. Churchill stuck for De Gaulle and basically saved his life, petty De Gaulle didn’t remember this after the war, when he resisted with all his might to stop British joining Europe, he definitely had a chip on his shoulders over the British. Ian. Ah, De Gaulle! A very tall fellow by the way. *I removed my own dictator accusation from here because I might have actually confused how much time De Gaulle was in power and what he was doing. I looked it up just now and decided to remove said comment. Sorry.His contributions were significant but small in the grand scheme of things. I'm glad that Ike didn't kill him. That would have been incredibly stupid, can you give me any more details on that? I'd love to hear more. |
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Post by yantaylor on Oct 31, 2011 8:49:41 GMT -5
Strange, the story over Ike and De Gaulle, was on the History Channel, I will endeavour to find the programs name, but I think it was more about Churchill then either Ike or De Gaulle.
Ian.
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Post by rch on Nov 1, 2011 20:35:40 GMT -5
brittles,
While I could say on the one hand that any nation could be better, or on the other that risng to the top of a dung heap wasn't much of a distinction, I meant neither. I meant, I won't care for the United States.
The men who served in WWII, when we were allied with the Soviets, received a victory medal, even though there were 3 theater medals. I want a victory medal for us so that the draft dodgers and the Canada jumpers can vomit, and Kerry can have another ribbon to throw back, and so that, maybe, the next time a teacher or text book informs a kid that the Cold War was a waste, some kid might ask, "Why then did the government give men medals?"
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Post by brittles on Nov 1, 2011 23:09:31 GMT -5
Ray: You can wish in one hand and crap in the other as far as I am concerned. You deserve nothing. You insult and humiliate yourself before this company and need absolutely no help from me.
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Post by rch on Nov 1, 2011 23:26:28 GMT -5
brittles,
So be it.
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Post by brittles on Nov 2, 2011 10:02:15 GMT -5
You know Ray I just love to engage people like you. Did you ever stop to think that it was your service that allowed people like Senator Kerry and those schoolteachers you despise to speak as they do, openly and without fear of retribution. You helped gave them the right to be critical, just as others have given you the same right. Now while their words and actions may be nauseous to you, yours may be equally nauseous to others including me. So while you revel in your bitter bile, remember that it is your fault. You preserved their freedom to speak out. Were your wrong, or did you only serve to preserve the freedoms of those who think like you?
Most likely one day you will rest in the company of other men and women who served their country honorably and without the motivation of reward beyond that service, with only the satisfaction of duty well done. How will you be received in that company?
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Post by yantaylor on Nov 2, 2011 11:32:25 GMT -5
Sorry Strange, I meant Roosevelt not Ike who disliked De Gaulle. It’s funny how the French reacted against the British after Dunkirk, although Churchill ordered that 140.000 French troops be evacuated along with 200.000 British.
The British also sent a second expeditionary Force in June 1940, they went to bolster the French Army, and they landed at Brest 8 June '40. They stopped at Rennes once the capitulation of France happened. Most of them re-embarked at St Malo and back to Britain by 16 June. They left in such a hurry that their trucks and heavier equipment were left behind.
Commanded by Lieutenant-General A. F. Brooke
52nd (Lowland) Infantry Division - Major-General J. S. Drew
Divisional Troops
HQ Royal Artillery
70th Field Regiment, Royal Artillery
71st Field Regiment, Royal Artillery
78th Field Regiment, Royal Artillery
54th Anti-Tank Regiment, Royal Artillery
HQ Royal Engineers
202nd Field Company, Royal Engineers
241st Field Company, Royal Engineers
554th Field Company, Royal Engineers
243rd Field Park Company, Royal Engineers
155th Infantry Brigade
7/9th Battalion, The Royal Scots (The Royal Regiment)
4th Battalion, The King's Own Scottish Borderers
5th Battalion, The King's Own Scottish Borderers
156th Infantry Brigade
4/5th Battalion, The Royal Scots Fusiliers
6th Battalion, The Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders
7th Battalion, The Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders
157th Infantry Brigade
1st Battalion, The Glasgow Highlanders
5th Battalion, The Highland Light Infantry
6th Battalion, The Highland Light Infantry
1st Canadian Infantry Brigade
The Royal Canadian Regiment
The Hastings and Prince Edward Regiment
48th Highlanders of Canada
1st Field Regiment Royal Canadian Horse Artillery
All for nothing when the French surrendered.
Ian.
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Post by rch on Nov 2, 2011 13:15:57 GMT -5
You know Ray I just love to engage people like you. Did you ever stop to think that it was your service that allowed people like Senator Kerry and those schoolteachers you despise to speak as they do, openly and without fear of retribution. You helped gave them the right to be critical, just as others have given you the same right. Now while their words and actions may be nauseous to you, yours may be equally nauseous to others including me. So while you revel in your bitter bile, remember that it is your fault. You preserved their freedom to speak out. Were your wrong, or did you only serve to preserve the freedoms of those who think like you? Most likely one day you will rest in the company of other men and women who served their country honorably and without the motivation of reward beyond that service, with only the satisfaction of duty well done. How will you be received in that company? brittles, The rights above mentioned did not proceed from my fighting for them; they already existed. If I have anything to say about it there will not be a flag, or a funeral, or a burial at a national cemetery. rch |
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Post by brittles on Nov 2, 2011 13:25:27 GMT -5
No, I did not intend to mean that you were with Washington. Were you, you would probably still be crying about having to wear rags on your feet and bloody footprints in the snow instead of the medal you did not get. My intention was to point out to you and anyone else interested that every man and woman who has put on a uniform since 19 April 1775 has defended those rights. If they are not defended they wil soon be nonexistent.
What your plans are for your funeral are your business. Personally I think you might want to consider spending the rest of your days in a country more to your liking, in that you seem to be not at all appreciatve of this one. They could send your medal there if one is ever authorized. Just think of the sweet revenge you will get in making that government you don't approve of pay all that extra postage. Of course if they never do issue one you could weep, moan, and bewail the injustice with someone who just might give a damn enough to relieve the suffering of whiney crybabies.
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Post by rch on Nov 2, 2011 18:23:30 GMT -5
You don't have to like another country to be disappointed in this one.
Now I'm in rags and dripping blood in the snow; you're damn right I'd be crying.
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Post by brittles on Nov 2, 2011 19:18:05 GMT -5
Well, if your are disappointed then I suggest that you do something about it instead of sitting on your duff whining and crying. For starters, why don't you become active in the causes you support. Then you could also try voting.
Despite its imperfections this is for my money the greatest country on earth. It is made so in large part by our Constitution which makes us all equal in the eyes of the law. It is a country where none of us are equal otherwise, nor should we be. The job of government is to make sure we have a fair deal not an equal deal. When you sit down to a hand of five card draw, some will be dealt a royal straight flush and others five mismatched cards. Those with the five mismatched cards will have the opportunity to better their hand with the draw. Those with the royal straight flush will have the same opportunity to screw theirs up by the same process. That is a fair deal, not an equal deal.
So as long as basic fairness is maintained no one has the right to complain about goverment. It is your activism, your involvement, your vote that maintains that fairness. Now you can sit on the sidelines, or you can do something about it. Doing the first is meaningless and in the end you deserve what you get - nothing. The second does not redress all grievences,. You do not always win, but it sure as hell beats sitting in a corner picking your nose.
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Post by rch on Nov 2, 2011 23:29:06 GMT -5
brittles,
I don't need a lesson in civics.
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Post by brittles on Nov 2, 2011 23:52:42 GMT -5
Maybe not. But you need a lesson in appreciation of all the things you have in life, most of which was made possible by living in this country and partaking of its many fruits, both the bitter and the sweet.
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