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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2008 12:35:37 GMT -5
After being inaccessible for several days, I came back to these boards and immediately saw all the activity. I suspected there was attendant activity on the other boards, as well, but I must admit I was unprepared for what I saw there. Without extending this tempest into the realm of the ridiculous, there are two issues I wish to address, one public and one private.
I had written a rather long "riposte" for the other boards, but decided against posting it because I no longer see the efficacy in doing so. Having said that, there is one issue I feel compelled to address, and that is the threat of physical violence against me-- real or perceived-- alluded to by the Buckeye Barrister. I find such threats boring and smacking of unapproachable bravado and quite real buffoonery, even though they carry the possibility of reality. Essentially, my response is, ho-hum, take it from whence it comes, and since our friend seems to be wrestling with the Manichæan precepts of modern life and is obviously much better versed in both bravado and buffoonery than I am, I yield and will let the whole issue fade into oblivion, wherever that may be.
Attendant issues involve Mrs. Merkel and Mr. Harper, but the less said about that the better. Maybe obscurity will prevail and life will proceed as before.
The private issue is more important to me and it involves a sometimes-poster on Mrs. Merkel's boards named "Jellybean." I mention it here in the hopes someone will relay this message to her. "Jellybean," in a couple of PMs, took me to task for one of my tirades and I unceremoniously put her in her place. My action was done in both poor taste and bad form. The reason I bring this up is that "Jellybean" had every reason to attack me on those other boards, as several did. She chose not to and in fact put up a short, sarcastic post, that I took as something of a gratifying respite in all the vituperation. That shows me "Jellybean" took the same high road in my "defense" as she took in chastising me, even though I realize she did it in more of a neutral- than a pro- stance. No one could ask for more and her action showed me she is a better lady than I am a man. I am truly humbled by that and "Jellybean," whoever she is, has my gratitude and my sincerest apologies for my inexcusable behavior in the PMs.
I am hoping this thread/post generates absolutely no further activity and we can all get on with discussing the things we enjoy.
Best wishes,
Fred.
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Post by ericwittenberg on Jul 30, 2008 21:32:34 GMT -5
Yet another personal attack, I see. You just can't help yourself, can you?
Mr. Moderator, it's long overdue for you to enforce your rules against launching personal attacks. It seems that this particular individual cannot control himself and has to persist in violating the rules by continuing to launch personal attacks. Let's see some consistency in the enforcement of the rule, please.
Eric
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No personal attack noted against any particular person by name. Might you be referring to several personal attacks involving yourself that was posted at Diane's board recently? I think this forum is quite tame in comparison.
The Moderator
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Post by cisdyd on Jul 30, 2008 22:20:53 GMT -5
OK, I have spent the entire bleeding night trying to privately get you two folks (both of whom I have a very high regard for) to do this out of the public-eye. Therefore, I am going to publicly restate my requests to both of you (you can despise each other as much as you want to but for the time being, well, you are intruding upon my kharma!)
Fred-please take that ridiculous post down where you sarcastically dumped upon Eric. He explained his position very well and did not deserve to have that crap heaped upon him.
Eric, please remove your post intimidating physical harm upon Fred. Fred is like the rest of us and can let his fingers over-ride his better sense, don't let yourself do the same.
I'm tired of it. Two of my favorite folks are going after each other like starving, rabid dogs and both refuse to see that the path they are taking was, in the old days, called Mutually Assured Destruction.
You know, I had renewed my membership thinking that I could be a better force for change on the inside....but, I am seriously reconsidering that choice.
This will be posted on the other board also.
Billy
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Post by ericwittenberg on Jul 31, 2008 7:15:30 GMT -5
Billy,
Fear not. It's over.
Since the moderator has made it clear that he is not going to apply the rules in a uniform and unbiased fashion, I'm done. I'm done with these boards, and I'm done with the organization. Any organization that permits this sort of personal attack is not one I want to have anything to do with.
Eric
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Which moderator are you referring to Eric? The one who allowed you to verbally abuse and threaten members of our forum numerous times over the the past week? Not only did you insinuate that one of our members might succumb to physical harm if you ever met him, (posted on the other board, you know, the one that is supposedly better moderated); you also referred to our members as "yapping little dogs", "big, fat pompous" (posted on a different board), "as*hole", "jerk", and "moronic". The fact that you were allowed to post these personally insulting remarks to our members speaks of no bias from my perspective. Perhaps you should take these same complaints to a different forum if you wish to avoid being accused of the same lack of bias you accuse me of.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2008 12:59:57 GMT -5
Billy--
This clown takes every post as a "personal attack"; he clearly has no concept of the meaning of either word. And now he is blaming the "Moderator." This guy is one of the most insecure individuals I have ever run across, someone who has to publicly tout his "finances," his writing, his lecturing, his "blog," his accomplishments. I come from a generation-- or a schooling and an upbringing-- where such "accomplishments" are best kept to one's self. If those "accomplishments" are worth anything, they will be discovered and the attendant plaudits will be forthcoming. Anything else falls in the category of "very bad taste."
I have absolutely no grudge, no animosity, no feelings-- one way of the other-- against Wittenberg. If you tell me he is a great writer, then I will believe it because I trust your word. I would even go out of my way to buy his works. (That is a personal policy of mine: anyone I know from these boards who publishes anything, I will buy that piece.) What I cannot stomach is this back-handed pomposity, this self-serving backslapping, this "shameless self-promotion"-- as he so blithely couches it-- that tells everyone how much money he garners, how important he is, all for the boot-licking show he craves from others.
If he wants to flick 1040's for comparison, he will lose; if he wants to flick personal accomplishments for comparison, I suspect he will lose there, as well, though I do not know for sure, and I do not know the value people put on things. I merely put up a post that told him, (a) quit the rodomontade crap, no one wants to hear it; and (b) if you hate the LBHA so much, then quit. That's all. Everything else is simply the growth of mutant spores churned by the likes of certain fools on the other boards (some of whom also post here).
Again, I have nothing against Wittenberg. He could be the next Shelby Foote for all I know. I have nothing against Columbus, Ohio; one of my last remaining dear friends used to own all-- or most-- of the dry cleaning stores throughout that city; I visited him, I knew his parents, I did business there. Wittenberg simply chooses to take every post that does not swoon at his feet as a "personal attack." And that's fine by me if that is the way he is.
My hackles are raised now by the personal threat. The worst of fiends on these boards has never done that and here we have someone, supposedly educated, who makes that kind of a threat. Tsk, tsk! The only remaining problem Mr. Wittenberg may have if this continues is that he will meet me, he will start something. I certainly won't... I'll hold out my hand in conciliation, but God help him if he slaps it.
If there is room for peace, I proffer the olive branch. Let's see how long it takes to wilt.
And Billy... none of this is the fault of Mr. Blake or anyone associated with the LBHA, including the moderator of these boards. All of this can be traced back to one thing, one event, one person. One! If the screamers took the time to find out the truth-- and that includes you, Billy (though I do not consider you a screamer)-- they would see the light and they would see the sheer stupidity of what is still going on. So would Mr. Wittenberg, if he managed to put as much time into this as he supposedly does with his Civil War work.
Do I want the whole thing to stop? Yes, I do. I am taking a page from "Jellybean's" book. She has proven to be a lot smarter than all of us. And while I am sure this will be considered another "personal attack," believe it isn't or it certainly is not meant to be one. Truth!
Best wishes,
Fred.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2008 14:21:38 GMT -5
As I look at my watch, I see it is 3:15 p.m., EDT. I just read a personal message from Eric Wittenberg and while it is loaded with caveats, he has accepted my "olive branch." That makes him a helluva bigger man than I gave him credit for and I am duly and sincerely impressed.
So... for one and all... please consider this my most sincere and humble apology to him and you can be assured I hold no grudge, no animosity, no ill feeling or ill will toward him. And while I promised George Mabry that the "New York City Round Table" would toast him first, the second will be a sincere huzzah to Eric.
Eric-- nice job. Not many have the guts you showed me today. My hat is off, the bow sincere.
Best wishes,
Fred.
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Post by thehighwayman on Jul 31, 2008 14:24:54 GMT -5
A Cherokee Indian Story
The Wolves Within
An old Grandfather said to his grandson, who came to him with anger at a friend who had done him an injustice,
“I too, at times, have felt a great anger and spite for those that have done such things, showed no sorrow for what they do.
"It is as if there are two wolves inside me. One is good and does no harm. He lives in harmony with all around him, and does not take offense when no offense was intended. He will only fight when it is right to do so, and in the right way.
But the other wolf, ah! He is full of anger. The littlest thing will set him into a fit of temper. He fights everyone, all the time, for no good reason. He cannot think because his anger and hate are so great. It is helpless anger, for his anger will change nothing.
Sometimes, it is hard to live with these two wolves inside me, for both of them try to dominate my spirit."
The boy looked intently into his Grandfather's eyes and asked, "Which one will win, Grandfather?"
The Grandfather smiled and quietly said, "The one I feed."
Just an interesting tale -- for whatever it may be worth.
highway
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Post by ericwittenberg on Jul 31, 2008 14:25:32 GMT -5
Fred,
Apology accepted.
Let's put all of this ugliness behind us and move forward.
And perhaps some day we can have a beer and hopefully a laugh about it.
Eric
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2008 14:27:06 GMT -5
Just an interesting tale -- for whatever it may be worth. A lot. Thanks. Best wishes, Fred. |
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Post by cisdyd on Jul 31, 2008 15:35:37 GMT -5
Sheesh, sometimes things work and other times, well, you feel like you are attempting to push a boiled spaghetti noodle in a straight like with your nose.
It's nice that two intelligent persons can communicate rather than the alternative.
Fredricko-I know Blake and LBHA was not responsible but everytime I get involved in the Custer-Cluster, things happen. My slam was not against Blake and the LBHA but rather whether I wanted to again be involved with the emotions and controversy that arise from the subject. I think I will stick to the facts and let the rest of you argue the minute details.
Be good, it is officially happy hour!
Billy
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Post by clw on Jul 31, 2008 16:17:10 GMT -5
Highway ~ A great favorite of mine. I often tell the kids, 'you're feeding the wrong wolf', which gives me the perfect opportunity to tell them that story. It's been attributed to many different tribes. All I know is that the one who originally told it was a very wise man.
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