Supplementum: Reno crosses at Ford A Feb 8, 2014 13:06:20 GMT -5
Post by hevat on Feb 8, 2014 13:06:20 GMT -5
Feb 8, 2014 12:15:24 GMT -5 @rosebud said:This kind of stuff should not be reason for any of our more intelligent or experienced battle researchers to leave the boards.
I found this statement amusing. If we are only talking about the books they have read and the conclusions drawn from these books, then we might be considered equal, because they have produced nothing I have not already read. I understand how they arrive at their timeline. When you take into consideration that neither Keogh or Fred has even traveled down Reno Creek, this leaves them lacking the ability to give opinions about how fast horses can travel at different areas of the creek. I don’t even think it is that important for them to ride a horse down the creek. They darn sure don’t need to try and ride one down the creek at the speed they suggest Custer’s column did.
Don’t tell me how experienced you are when you have no experience at all. One of these guys has never even been on a horse. All he can do is read about those that have. I do not call that experience.
Now Fred took the time to dig up loads of information on how fast a horse can travel. That is fine and dandy, but I see none of these show how fast a horse can go over a dusty plowed up Indian trail.
I see none of his arguments that confirm ranch horses of today can’t obtain the same speeds that he claims Cavalry horses of 1876 could.
Another misconception was when he insinuates that the ranch horses would need special training in order to duplicate the ungodly time he uses. He is totally unaware that these ranch horses are left out in large pastures and run, play and get plenty of exercise every day. They are not barn raised and locked in a small pen.
We have listened to all sorts of reasons why you should not listen to me or anyone with experience of riding this route. We need to move buildings, some have farmed the land, they put a fence up, we have the wrong kind of horse. You name it, they tried to use it. I was surprised that no one tried to say that the horses were wearing the wrong type of horse shoe.
Here is one more thing you can think about.
If I understand this right……Keogh and Fred are both under the impression that using the Gray timeline, Gray has Custer traveling at about 4 mph and this is a leisure walk to Reno’s crossing. I think they both agree that Gray’s leisure walk will get Reno to the river in 3 hours.
What they don’t know is that if they decided to ride the trip and do so at this leisure pace of 4 mpg, At the end of 3 hours they will be far short of the LBH. Now the great thing is, just about any old plug of a horse is capable of proving that those who have tested these times are right and the experienced guys from NY are not as smart as they think they are.
Although I'm looking at other people's horses all day (since the last 20 or so years) from the window of my study I've never felt inclined to try and ride (if that's what it is called) one.
Nevertheless, I fully agree with you, as I did earlier with Benteeneast, that it's impossible to have a real understanding of the BLBH if you have no idea of how it is for men and horses to go along the banks of LBH, how long it takes to go from A to B etc. and what you can and cannot see and hear from horseback while going downstream along one of the routes taken by Benteen, Custer and Reno.
What about a webcam on your and Benteeneast's hat and a microphone - so that we can hear your comments and discussions? I'm thinking of a series of videos by a certain Apollo Custer, if I remember his nom de plume correctly, on Youtube. It's one of the best introductions to the BLBH I've seen. Why don't you two such a series but then strictly from the viewpoint of a horseman - every year one part of the route, starting from Crow's Nest?
Just a thought … <g>