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Post by benteeneast on Jan 9, 2018 6:37:12 GMT -5
HR, As soon as you remove the "dust" from your eyes, only then will you be able to see the pack train coming over the hill... Robb I'm rubbing hard. Hmmm..... pack train. Behind a hill. Find him where? You can't use hindsight to know where to send Martin. Regards BE Precisely where he was told to go. HR Benteen was not found where he was told to go. He was found in Reno Creek after he discontinued following the order which ordered him a line direction of where to go. Again you used hindsight to determine there was one place "precisely" where Benteen could be found unless some observation was made that Benteen had quit following the direction as ordered and chose to return to the trail of thousands of Indians. That the pack train was mentioned is consistent with an observation that Benteen was closing toward the head of the pack train. Long Otter Creek would make the order impossible to comply with and Benteen would have to search for the pack train if he had continued the direction he was precisely told to go. Regards BE
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Post by herosrest on Feb 14, 2018 7:50:47 GMT -5
That 'original' itinery was that given in Maguire's report of the 10th July 1876, which was sent to Gillespie with Maguire's first map and included to the Report to the Chief of Engineers, for the Secretary of War and 44th Congress. Maguire stated hearsay giving the regiment's arrival near the village as being 2pm. This was actually the time that Benteen arrived near the village and not the time at which Custer and Reno arrived. That is the source of the enduring discrepancies which exist. The reality of events is that Benteen's command arrived near the village at 2 pm and with that understood, there are no further time discrepencie's. Wallace deferred to Maguire's itinery of 7th Cavalry's march to Little Bighorn, from Maguire's report of July 10th 1876. Lt. Edward Maguire produced an itinery of the Regiment's advance based upon discussion with officer's of 7th Cavalry and included it to his July 10th Report to the Chief of Engineers. Linked here lbha.org/MaguireReport.pdf This was Lt. Maguire's itinery of 7th Cavalry's march. It is not stated why he was unable to refer to information available, one assumes, from Lt. Wallace. [ Supplementumnal addendum ]There is a vein of battle study which promotes the gospel of time motion analytics to resolve arguments with what happened when and which view or opinion is essentially that which is correct. This is fundamentally emipirical by nature and therefore offered to be scientific. It can be fun. It can truly be a real pain because of the confusion which Wallace introduced to misunderstanding of the battle resulting from his use of Maguire's itinery. With Benteen's battalion arriving near the village at 2 am, imprecise, woollen and difficultly imprecise - it is possible to calculate the maximum distance which his battalion covered during their march, up to 2pm. It isn't difficult maths and is highly relevant to study of the route taken during the march to the left and halts which took place. Benteen's march covered a mile each 12 minutes. The maths is difficult to argue with. Example, take the PTL timeline departure for Benteen's valley hunt as 11am without ad infinitum, and his march covered a maximum distance of 15 miles from about 1/4 mile west of the divide, less whatever is given for watering; to arrive near the village at 2pm and join Reno at 2:30pm. The couple of miles from the environs of Ford A to Reno Hill took around 20-25 minutes. PTL is mean with timing but that advance had to made cautiously since Benteen did not have a clue what lay ahead or what was happening there. This method of reverse calculation is an effective method of double checking the effects of logic and reasoning upon data. The only real data is distance.
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