Trumpeter John Martin Sept 17, 2008 8:11:27 GMT -5
Post by Guest on Sept 17, 2008 8:11:27 GMT -5
Aye...also interesting is a report from one of Reno's men in the valley that survived, that they saw Benteen's =formation= of cavalry down near Ford A, before they climbed the bluff (I think Pvt Thompson's testimony?).
As to climbing the bluffs, I can't see where any ground...the actual ford site, Gerard's second knoll near the ford, or the bluff at the top ("Mathey's knoll")...can offer any vision of the bluffs Reno's men were climbing, since that is recessed from the ford area. So that is kind of suspicious.
He stated in the reprot that the LBH was about a mile and a half from the point he met Martin.
I wonder what he meant by this...in what direction? He could mean more than a mile north along Custer's path towards Reno from the LBH ford, or he could mean more than a mile back up Ash Creek...that would put him near the "morass" watering place. Martin would cover a mile in about four or five minutes.
At the RCOI Martin gave times in answer to questions, but he could not be sure the times were correct. He gave the distance from Custer to Benteen as about 5 miles. He had testified that Custer watered his horses after Reno moved forward. He said that he met Benteen about 300 or 400 yards beyond the watering place.
That would be the Hartung Morass, I believe, also called "Benteen's Morass," according to Doran. Now what do you think he meant by "beyond" the morass? Was that beyond according to Custer's and Benteen's movement, ie, to the north and west, or "beyond" by his own movement, ie, to the east?
The Hartung Morass is about 2 miles to the east of the LBH Ford A, and about one and a half miles east of where Custer turned north off Reno's path to climb the bluffs, and where Benteen probably first saw Reno's men in the valley. If Martin hit Benteen that far back, then he would certainly have taken the short cut, as the pack train probably did, and not gone all the way south to the LBH ford area. Probably time for another diagram...
I think it's possible that Reno spent more time on the skirmish line and in the timbrer than 20 minutes.
Yes, I think that would have to be the case to make the above model work...I think if you add 10 minutes to Reno's stay in the valley, either on the skirmish line, and/or in the timber, then you can probably make the Martin-Benteen-Reno connections fit with Martin meeting Benteen not on the LBH bluffs, but rather back up Reno creek a couple miles.