Goes Ahead -- Crow Oct 18, 2012 12:41:02 GMT -5
Post by tunkasila on Oct 18, 2012 12:41:02 GMT -5
GE says a round-about route back to Benteen at Ford A is 3.5 miles, so at 12 mph they could do that in under20 minutes.
Since Reno's retreat took about 10-15 minutes before the Warriors were probably on top of the bluff (and Custer began moving toward the village from his stop in MTC), and Benteen didn't get up for another 10-15 minutes, it seems to just work. I would say that the Crows weren't on the ridgetop above Benteen for very long before he saw them up there.
So Google Earth has the distance from Ford B to Ford A at 3.5 miles? Fred had the distance computed at 4.3 miles using his U.S. Geological survey maps. Of course, Fred's distance would be "as the Crow flies" -- the bird, not the scouts -- but that's a difference of nearly a mile, and it would make a difference. You would have to have the Crows falling back to the heights above Ford A before Reno's men got atop the bluffs, or I am sure the Crows would have mentioned it. So you basically need to have the 3 Crows go from Boyer's Bluff -- wherever you might have that location -- past Reno's Hill before any of Reno's command gets up there in order to make this model work for you, then they need to go another mile and a quarter or so before reaching Benteen's battalion just as Reno's men are ascending the bluffs.
The timing might work a bit better if you have the Crows going back, and Custer beginning his move towards Ford B when Reno's valley skirmish line collapsed and they fell back to the timber position. That would give you an extra 10 minutes or so to make things fit better.
In 1921 the follwoing exchange took place between General H.L. Scott and White Man Runs Him -
Q. Where was Curley? A. He was back on the ridge.
Q. Where did you go then? A. I went back.
Q. Why? A. Mitch Boyer said, "You go back; I am going down to Custer."
Q. Did you see Reno go up on the bluffs then?
A. No. I saw him fighting across the river, but didn't know he had retreated back to the bluffs.
Once again we have the vexed question of what time span WMRH covers with his answers, because there is no mention of firing into the village. My guess would be that there is a time lapse between Question 1 and Question 2. From seeing Curley left behind at or near SSR with the soldiers, the other 3 Crows with Bouyer left Weir Point and moved down close to MTF on Bouyers Bluff. Bouyer left to join up with Custer, the 3 Crows fired into the village, then 'went back.'
They see Reno 'fighting' but that can only cover either the original skirmish line or the timber skirmish line, as once in the timber, Reno's command could not be seen. I suggest the timber skirmish line as Coy M was falling back could be the best bet.
That would give a viable time line I believe.