Stands In Timber's Account of the Battle Nov 18, 2015 14:28:04 GMT -5
Post by keogh on Nov 18, 2015 14:28:04 GMT -5
Both Wolf Tooth and Tall Bull were active participants in the battle. His Grandmother, of course, was not, but was among the noncombatants in the village at the time. I do think we are safe in assigning all three of them as primary sources of this battle. John Stands In Timber is not a primary source anymore than Walter Camp was.
Benteeneast: With all due respect Bill the Wikipedia definition is as Carl states it. Look at the history discipline statements.
Yes, I understand that Wikipedia has its own definition of what constitutes a primary source. Perhaps Carl was the one who contributed that definition to Wikipedia?
Wikipedia: "primary source can be a person with direct knowledge of a situation, or a document written by such a person."
I agree with the above. However, a primary source can also relate evidence orally, transcribed or recorded by another party. A primary source is not limited to documents "written by such a person."
BE: Wolf Tooth is and primary source and anything Wolf Tooth wrote. He is dead and apparently didn't write anything.
Correct. Wolf Tooth -- and nearly all Indian participants of the LBH battle wrote nothing themselves, as most never learned how to write. That, however, does not negate their orally related experiences transcribed or recorded by another as a primary source.
BE: What JSIT wrote since he wasn't there and wrote what someone else told him seems to fit the Wikipedia definition of secondary. "Generally, accounts written after the fact with the benefit (and possible distortions) of hindsight are secondary"
John Stands In Timber wrote nothing at all. His knowledge of events at the LBH come directly from primary sources who participated in that battle. As I stated in my previous response to Carl:
Wolf Tooth took Stands In Timber over the battlefield in 1916. He stated that his sources of the battle come directly from Wolf Tooth (his Grandfather), Tall Bull (his Grand Uncle) and Twin Woman (his Grand-Mother). Both Wolf Tooth and Tall Bull were active participants in the battle. His Grandmother, of course, was not, but was among the noncombatants in the village at the time. I do think we are safe in assigning all three of them as primary sources of this battle. John Stands In Timber is not a primary source anymore than Walter Camp was.