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Post by keogh on Aug 13, 2012 16:56:45 GMT -5
That former ranger has made a pretty good chunk of change off of it and continues to. I didn't know about the court case but that really does not suprise me. I think the area your reffering to is Iverson's Pits on the Forney Farm where Baxter's men pretty much ambused Iverson's North Carolinians. It's said 75 men were shot down in perfect alinement just like they were still in their ranks. Iverson lost about 500 men I believe in those few minutes. The area they were buried (Iverson's pits) for years after the battle was said to be avoided and Forney's farmhands refused to work in the area after dusk. It's still a very erie place considering what happened their. McPherson's ridge is my favorite part of the battle field. One of my favorite places to stay is Larson's Lee's hq motel on Seminary ridge. Your right on the battlefield there, that is for sure.
regards, Nate That former Ranger has a whole series of booklets about the ghosts of Gettysburg, I am told. Yes, you are right. It is called 'Iverson's Pits' at the Forney Farm. I was told by a former Park Ranger now living in town that the Ranger's still avoid going near that area after nightfall. He said he often felt a cold chill in his body whenever he went out there. I told him we will have to investigate this, for historical purposes, of course. I am thinking if we go out there after dark in period uniforms and candle lanterns, the spirits might be more inclined to make contact. But to be safe, I suppose it will have to be Confederate uniforms and we should bring along some coffee beans and tobacco. Of course, anyone seeing us out there after dark in uniform will suppose that we are the ghosts. lol. I will remember your advice about Lee's HQ Motel on Seminary Ridge. If you ever decide to come to one of our LBHA Conferences, I hope you consider doing so as a reenactor. We'd love to have you along in our mess -- Strange, that goes for you too. keogh
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Post by strange on Aug 13, 2012 17:00:42 GMT -5
Lundgren in Universal Soldier would say... Traitor!
Strange
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Post by bc on Aug 13, 2012 23:22:06 GMT -5
Here is my Gettysburg story. My great whatever grandfather was PVT Marcus Long, 20th Mass Infantry. During Picketts charge, the 20th reinforced the clump of trees. After the defeat of Pickett, an intermixed group of Union soldiers surged across the wall, to pursue the rebels. A single shell hit this mass, inflicting 33 casualties. It was regarded as an unusual event recorded in many accounts. Marcus took a shell fragment 3 inches below his "upper inner thigh". So 3 inches and I wouldn't be here. This injury,his 3rd of war, caused him immense pain, and caused him to commit suicide in 1909. But the unusual thing is that I can identify the exact place and moment where a private was injured in ACW. Very rare. If you are at clump of trees, face rebel line. Incident took place at 11 Oclock, 20 meters past the wall. Ohhh, and for Strange, when he enlisted in 1861, he was an 18 year old 5' 2" glassblower. For a little guy, he got hit a lot. Very interesting Will. I have one ancestor who was killed at Stone's River. From following all the troop movements on the day he was killed, I think I could find his place of death within 100 yards. bc
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Post by bc on Aug 13, 2012 23:36:55 GMT -5
Thanks, I'll have to look out for that book. You would have enjoyed the lecture presentation on Pickett's Charge given the 2nd day of the Conference by Park Ranger Wayne Motts, who, I am told, is considered to be one of the leading experts on this part of the battle. He went into incredible detail with maps and overviews, etc. It was his opinion that Pickett's Charge could have been successful had things been done differently. He felt there was no coordination among Pickett's brigade commanders, and he also thinks that Stuart's attack in the rear of the Federal lines was not an effort to support Pickett's Charge. He says there were no written orders to do so that has ever come to light. garryowen, keogh I absolutley agree with that Keogh Stuart had nothing to do with supporting Picketts charge. It could have worked and Hess disscusses this and the host of reasons it failed, poor coordination at all levels defective artillery fuses, the narrowness of the attacking front and a whole host of other reasons. My family and I used to go to Gettysburg several times a year (one year it was 8 times) and the angle has always been one of my favorite spots. One of the few things that bother me their besides idiot tourists looking for bullet holes in rocks and jerks climbing on monuments is all the ghost crap that gets built up there. I feel all that really denigrates the memory of those brave men by reduceing them to somethng like tacky hollowen props of something. And having these people come to the battlefield just to take photos of ghosts or try and get scared without really knowing or caring what happened their I find very off putting. Their are plenty of horrific battle accounts to read that will scare you that actually happened without going ghost hunting. In all my years of visits I have never had a paranormal event happen to me on the battlefield. I know several who have and while I believe something not normal may be happening on the battlefield I do not like the denigration of these men into spooks and white sheets by people with no knowledge and who do not care what they went through. Thats my rant for now . I'm glad you guys had a fun trip regards, Nate So what is wrong with looking for bullet holes? Shouldn't hurt anything. I'm waiting for the weirdly strange/strangly weird Zac Bagans and his so called ghost busters to do something at Gettysburg. Every week he comes up with a new electronic gadget that can see and talk to ghosts. He claims to have intelligent conversations with them. Me, I'm not so lucky. Linda and I were the last ones to tour the Tabor Opera House in Leadville, Co one day last week. The subject turned to ghosts and then we got treated to a lights out ghost tour by the tour guide who won't publicly (except to us) admit the things she has seen there. Well I talked, played the piano, and messed with one door and at no time did anyone talk back, move the rocker in the dressing room, appear when the piano was played, or opened the door. I also tried talking to the ghosts at the Palace Hotel in Cripple Creek. They didn't answer either. For a long while it looked like a ghost was moving the handle of one of three snow shovels back and forth while the other two were stationary. I was looking through lace curtains or a gap between them. Finally decided it was my head moving back and forth and not the handle. Where was Casper when I needed him?
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Post by bc on Aug 13, 2012 23:43:30 GMT -5
In this shot, taken on Cemetery Ridge where Gen. Armistead's brigade broke thru, you can see the stone wall and copse of trees that Montrose spoke of that marks the line of the Federal position. Montrose's relative would have been severly wounded just beyond this wall and slightly beyond the copse of trees, possibly in view of this photo. Bill, is this photo looking south towards Little Round Top with the position of the Northern Aggressors on the left and Confederates on the right? Thus putting Will's very great grand daddy attacking from left to right?
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Post by keogh on Aug 14, 2012 0:14:27 GMT -5
In this shot, taken on Cemetery Ridge where Gen. Armistead's brigade broke thru, you can see the stone wall and copse of trees that Montrose spoke of that marks the line of the Federal position. Montrose's relative would have been severly wounded just beyond this wall and slightly beyond the copse of trees, possibly in view of this photo. Bill, is this photo looking south towards Little Round Top with the position of the Northern Aggressors on the left and Confederates on the right? Thus putting Will's very great grand daddy attacking from left to right?Yessiree.
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Post by keogh on Aug 14, 2012 0:16:29 GMT -5
Here's a pic of East Cavalry Field, where Custer's Michigan Brigade stopped Stuart's Cavalry and forced them to retire from the field.
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Post by keogh on Aug 14, 2012 0:17:45 GMT -5
Here's the Boy General on the monument at East Cavalry Field in Gettysburg.
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Post by keogh on Aug 14, 2012 0:18:57 GMT -5
A depiction of Custer's charge against Stuart at Gettysburg. "Come on, you Wolverines!"
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Post by keogh on Aug 14, 2012 0:20:21 GMT -5
The Rummel Farmhouse, near the field where Custer attacked Stuart.
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Post by keogh on Aug 14, 2012 0:21:17 GMT -5
Another shot of the Rummel Farmhouse and the field where Custer met Stuart (East Cavalry Field).
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Post by nate on Aug 14, 2012 2:11:01 GMT -5
I absolutley agree with that Keogh Stuart had nothing to do with supporting Picketts charge. It could have worked and Hess disscusses this and the host of reasons it failed, poor coordination at all levels defective artillery fuses, the narrowness of the attacking front and a whole host of other reasons. My family and I used to go to Gettysburg several times a year (one year it was 8 times) and the angle has always been one of my favorite spots. One of the few things that bother me their besides idiot tourists looking for bullet holes in rocks and jerks climbing on monuments is all the ghost crap that gets built up there. I feel all that really denigrates the memory of those brave men by reduceing them to somethng like tacky hollowen props of something. And having these people come to the battlefield just to take photos of ghosts or try and get scared without really knowing or caring what happened their I find very off putting. Their are plenty of horrific battle accounts to read that will scare you that actually happened without going ghost hunting. In all my years of visits I have never had a paranormal event happen to me on the battlefield. I know several who have and while I believe something not normal may be happening on the battlefield I do not like the denigration of these men into spooks and white sheets by people with no knowledge and who do not care what they went through. Thats my rant for now . I'm glad you guys had a fun trip regards, Nate So what is wrong with looking for bullet holes? Shouldn't hurt anything. I'm waiting for the weirdly strange/strangly weird Zac Bagans and his so called ghost busters to do something at Gettysburg. Every week he comes up with a new electronic gadget that can see and talk to ghosts. He claims to have intelligent conversations with them. Me, I'm not so lucky. Linda and I were the last ones to tour the Tabor Opera House in Leadville, Co one day last week. The subject turned to ghosts and then we got treated to a lights out ghost tour by the tour guide who won't publicly (except to us) admit the things she has seen there. Well I talked, played the piano, and messed with one door and at no time did anyone talk back, move the rocker in the dressing room, appear when the piano was played, or opened the door. I also tried talking to the ghosts at the Palace Hotel in Cripple Creek. They didn't answer either. For a long while it looked like a ghost was moving the handle of one of three snow shovels back and forth while the other two were stationary. I was looking through lace curtains or a gap between them. Finally decided it was my head moving back and forth and not the handle. Where was Casper when I needed him? It's just stupid bc, I have also heard ramrods being called swords and get this people asking a ranger in the visitor center if their are any bullet holes in the monuments. Thats the average public for you I would always get infuriated with boy scout leaders letting their kids climb all over the monuments jumping on and off them and not careing. Those people should have much more respect. Zak Bagans and crew did do a Gettysburg episode where they stayed at the Jennie Wade House and and the now Soldier Museum that used to be an orphange. They may have done the engine house near where the 16th Maine came to grief, but I can't remember I saw the episode some time ago on Youtube and its probably still up their if you want to watch it. Bagans is fun to watch but he has no idea what he is playing around with in most cases and as a result does some stupid stuff
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Post by keogh on Aug 15, 2012 17:55:23 GMT -5
Here's a pic of a retired Captain Myles Moylan (Ron Picard) along with mother Custer (Joan Croy) at the Banquet. Attachments:
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Post by keogh on Aug 15, 2012 17:57:18 GMT -5
From left to right: noted Civil War and Custer author Jeffrey Wert, Sgt. Jeremiah Finley (aka. Keving Connelly) and General A. P. Hill (aka. Patrick Falci) at the evening Banquet.
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Post by keogh on Aug 15, 2012 18:01:03 GMT -5
Another shot of Stephen Lang (aka. Gen. George Pickett & Stonewall Jackson) with Sandy and Mrs. Goss at the Farnsworth Tavern (along with myself at the bar in the rear). Attachments:
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