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Post by keogh on Jul 24, 2008 21:22:27 GMT -5
Keogh, I can tell you with absolutely no hesitation and without any doubt whatsoever that I was never, ever offered any travel compensation and that Mr. Blake very specifically told me that none would be offered. I can probably even find the e-mail to that effect. Again, had I been made such an offer, we would not be having this discussion. Eric Eric. I think this entire affair is one rather large misunderstanding on everyone's part. I think that you and Bill had two different conceptions of what type of compensation was involved. Bill was under the impression that you were looking for a rather large honorarium comparable to your stated billable hours that you would miss out on by participating in the event. There would have been no problem at all with reimbursing your travel expenses for gas and tolls. This was done for Jeff Wert and Tom Clemens, and would most certainly have been done for you as well. There is no double standard for LBHA vs. non-LBHA members. Whoever told you that, I would suggest, has an ulterior motive to fan the flames of dissension among our ranks. Bill had no idea that the dispute was over $200 travel expenses. He was under the idea that you were looking for something in the neighborhood of $1500 to compensate for your lost business hours. I am not alone when I say that most of us would have truly enjoyed having you speak at our conference. Personally, I think you would have done very well with your book sales that weekend (especially for signed copies) and would have done just fine financially. No one meant any disrespect to you or Ted Alexander. Its an unfortunate situation that derived from a misunderstanding that never should have occurred. Whats done is done now. Lets not dwell on the mistakes or who was responsible for the misunderstanding. Life is too short for us to be squabbling over matters like this. Lets find a way to put this behind us and do our best to remain friends. Keogh
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Post by ericwittenberg on Jul 24, 2008 21:41:27 GMT -5
Eric. I think this entire affair is one rather large misunderstanding on everyone's part. I think that you and Bill had two different conceptions of what type of compensation was involved. Bill was under the impression that you were looking for a rather large honorarium comparable to your stated billable hours that you would miss out on by participating in the event. There would have been no problem at all with reimbursing your travel expenses for gas and tolls. This was done for Jeff Wert and Tom Clemens, and would most certainly have been done for you as well. There is no double standard for LBHA vs. non-LBHA members. Whoever told you that, I would suggest, has an ulterior motive to fan the flames of dissension among our ranks. Bill had no idea that the dispute was over $200 travel expenses. He was under the idea that you were looking for something in the neighborhood of $1500 to compensate for your lost business hours. I am not alone when I say that most of us would have truly enjoyed having you speak at our conference. Personally, I think you would have done very well with your book sales that weekend (especially for signed copies) and would have done just fine financially. No one meant any disrespect to you or Ted Alexander. Its an unfortunate situation that derived from a misunderstanding that never should have occurred. Whats done is done now. Lets not dwell on the mistakes or who was responsible for the misunderstanding. Life is too short for us to be squabbling over matters like this. Lets find a way to put this behind us and do our best to remain friends. Keogh I think that's entirely fair, and I'm willing to do so. However, my willingness to do so is expressly conditioned upon your shutting up the yappy little *dog, also known as cookestown, who seems bound and determined to launch personal attacks on me. If you continue to allow him to do so, we're going to have a serious problem. Eric ------------ * The Moderator would like to point out that personal attacks are in violation of our forum regulations. He requests that the poster refrain from doing so in the future and make an effort to respect our forum rules. Thank you.
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Post by keogh on Jul 24, 2008 22:59:38 GMT -5
I think that's entirely fair, and I'm willing to do so. However, my willingness to do so is expressly conditioned upon your shutting up the yappy little dog, also known as cookestown, who seems bound and determined to launch personal attacks on me. If you continue to allow him to do so, we're going to have a serious problem. Eric I will be happy to do so Eric, however, would you be willing, in a spirit of fairness, to do the same by removing the personal attack against the LBHA at your own blog as well? Cookestown's personal attack on you was a direct response to what he perceived as a similar attack on our organization which he read at your blog. Two wrongs don't make a right, of course, but since the entire affair was the result of a misunderstanding, I think the best course of action is for us both to remove the offensive posts and do our best to make things right across the board. Can we agree on that? Keogh
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Post by damick on Jul 24, 2008 23:25:12 GMT -5
I know I'm new to this forum, but I'm not new to forums, in general. When I registered yesterday, I had to read the following: "You agree, through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise in violation of ANY law."
Under this heading of the Hagerstown Conference, I don't think I've ever seen anywhere, on any forum, such namecalling and statements some of which must be false, defamatory, inaccurate, and certainly abusive and hateful as I have seen here. I think some people--and I'm not taking sides here--need to get a grip and re-read the rules we all agreed to abide by and get back to the study of the LBH and history of the Indian Wars and history in general. I'm ashamed of what I've seen so far with some of you.
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Post by keogh on Jul 25, 2008 0:52:36 GMT -5
Yes, damick. These forum rules are pretty standard across the board with nearly all message boards, but it doesn't stop people from breaking the rules now and then. Unfortunately, that's seems to be the nature of the world we currently live in. As you might have noticed, this rather sordid affair is a carryover and a reaction from postings made at two other forums. In a perfect world this shouldn't happen, but sometimes its difficult to live in an insulated bubble. I am hopeful that we will soon bring this matter to a mutually acceptable resolution with all negative postings removed by all parties. As you say, our main focus should be history and the LBH.
Keogh
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Post by cookestown on Jul 25, 2008 7:32:17 GMT -5
I think that's entirely fair, and I'm willing to do so. However, my willingness to do so is expressly conditioned upon your shutting up the yappy little dog, also known as cookestown, who seems bound and determined to launch personal attacks on me. If you continue to allow him to do so, we're going to have a serious problem. Eric I will be happy to do so Eric, however, would you be willing, in a spirit of fairness, to do the same by removing the personal attack against the LBHA at your own blog as well? Cookestown's personal attack on you was a direct response to what he perceived as a similar attack on our organization which he read at your blog. Two wrongs don't make a right, of course, but since the entire affair was the result of a misunderstanding, I think the best course of action is for us both to remove the offensive posts and do our best to make things right across the board. Can we agree on that? Keogh Keogh is correct, Cookestown's attack was sparked by W's vitroil against the LBHA, not so much on his blog where he is free to wallow in the muck like Baskerville sinking in the Grimpen Mire, but his presence here, injecting negative comments on a conference which was enjoyable regardless of whether W was there or not. He also found his attack on the LBHA unwelcome and is perplexed as to why this persists when the best thing for W to do would be to move on. Cookestown apologizes to the moderator for the verbal methodology he employed to convey his displeasure and will post no more.
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Post by thehighwayman on Jul 25, 2008 7:55:48 GMT -5
“I don't think I've ever seen anywhere, on any forum, such name calling and statements some of which must be false, defamatory, inaccurate, and certainly abusive and hateful as I have seen here…. … and get back to the study of the LBH and history of the Indian Wars and history in general.”
You missed one here earlier this year who certainly fit the bill. Absolutely impossible to discuss ANYTHING with him. *The slightest difference in perception from his narrowed opinions brought an onslaught of personal attacks and fanatical diatribe. “Custer hater, America hater, post menopausal…” are from only a few of the ad hominem laced fallacious arguments he so prolifically posted.
[*highwayman, DC limits his vile postings to the "other" forum now, where his continued personal attacks are still most welcome. The Moderator]
Hang in there damick, the dust from this quarrel will settle too, and we'll get back to taking pot shots at the subject matter that brought us all here to begin with. Like you I have no dog in this scrap and probably shouldn’t even speak up.
Just sitting here and waiting for a return to the sharing and discussion of LBH and all of its fascinating facts, factoids, trivia and sidebars into the history of the American West.
highway
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Post by benteeneast on Jul 25, 2008 11:25:32 GMT -5
Skin that smokewagon and see what happens
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Post by sinkiller on Jul 25, 2008 12:10:06 GMT -5
I will be happy to do so Eric, however, would you be willing, in a spirit of fairness, to do the same by removing the personal attack against the LBHA at your own blog as well? Cookestown's personal attack on you was a direct response to what he perceived as a similar attack on our organization which he read at your blog. * I am sorry to have to remove your post sinkiller. It deals with off-topic subject matter and does not belong on this thread. We would like to reserve posts here for anything related to the Hagerstown Conference. The Moderator
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Post by Melani on Jul 29, 2008 17:58:39 GMT -5
Now how can we get reenactors to be paid? Clair I personally consider myself lucky to get fed. Though our unit's new cook has improved tremendously...
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Post by bc on Jul 29, 2008 23:08:59 GMT -5
Clair, some do get paid. I know some alleged mountain men who get $250 a weekend to set up their mountain man camp at various gatherings. They have their long hair, sit around and smoke some funny smelling stuff from their peace pipes, and get paid to do it. Heck of a deal.
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Post by conz on Jul 30, 2008 9:28:40 GMT -5
Dang...sounds like my Kentucky retirement job. <g>
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