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Post by moderator on Feb 9, 2008 1:45:18 GMT -5
As I seem to be the target of some folks' assertations of "trollism," I should--in return--offer the many posts I have placed today upon this august board. Though I will not regularly contribute to the threads (I prefer to read and learn) that explore Battle Theories, I will bet that my studies and subsequent portrayal of George Armstrong Custer would stand upon the same hallowed ground as those fighting or embracing the notion of the Benteen/Reno "betrayal" at LBH. Dear Clara, your recent posts have been excellent and I commend you for them. They are of much interest and value to this board overall and I thank you for your contributions herein. For the record, I was not referring to you at all in my commentary about recent trolls posting at the boards. The Moderator
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Post by custersfreckles on Feb 9, 2008 2:08:53 GMT -5
I only believe in discussion for discussion's sake. That said, I am a firm believer in presenting a GAC burdened by his humanity ....
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Post by moderator on Feb 9, 2008 2:22:46 GMT -5
On Jan. 30, Diane Merkel wrote: "Have fun, everyone. My feelings will not be hurt if you post there." Moderator, I think both you and Diane are being childish in the extreme to refuse to allow the name or address of each other's boards to be posted. As far as mentioning this board on Diane's, the thread on it is currently running to 37 pages. You can find this board by searching on Little Bighorn Associates; you can find hers by searching on Little Bighorn History Alliance. Melani, I would be very happy to make reference to our old forum provided that the old forum remove any restrictions regarding the promotion of this forum. Now how's that for an olive branch? But I think you would agree with me that it would not be quite fair if we were to promote them while they continue to shun our own forum. Yes, the other forum has 37 pages of spiteful gossip and conspiracy theories dealing with our forum, yet not a single mention of our link or how to find us. They choose to refer to us as 'Brand X'. A bit childish, don't you think? I assure you that we have no problem with you or anyone else posting on our old message board. We are very happy to have you with us in any event. Your posts are well thought out and have a level of civility to them that many others should use as a benchmark. Melani, I have no problem with people posting from the same computer. One might find husband and wife posting from the same location, or brother and sister, or just friends. It is not an issue, nor should it be an issue. Please don't mistake the hysteria and paranoia coming from a different forum to spill over into this one. Unlike that forum, no one here will be banned from posting from the same URL. That is not our policy. Just call me moderator for now. As you know, we don't require anyone to divulge their real names on the internet, and 90% of the people on this and other forums are more comfortable using pseudonyms. David is entitle to express his opinions. You do not have to agree with his, or anyone else's opinions here, but everyone is entitled to express them, as long as they are on topic and not personally offensive to others. What I have found is that 90% of the insults and personal attacks have been thrown at David, not from him. I think that there has been a great deal of animosity and abuse and unfounded allegations generated in the past, and that solid steps have been taken by this organization to clean up the mess and return to its high standards. The creation of a new website and forum are part of that process. If you are unhappy at some of the comments made at this site, please understand that much of it has to do with the embittered members of the old site coming here to further their attacks on their perceived enemies, real or imagined. I assure you that I will do all I can to prevent this board from devolving into the divisive and bitter gossip that other boards we know have slipped into. Lets try to avoid making the same mistakes here. The Moderator
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Post by custersfreckles on Feb 9, 2008 3:40:38 GMT -5
I do have to say that an entire post of mine was deleted from discussion as well. Perhaps it didn't add to the conversation, but still, it makes me very leery to do much more than putting my toe in the waters. Clara, your post was removed due to the inflammatory and false allegations which you made which were also off topic. I understand you were operating under false pretenses based on a misunderstanding. All is forgiven. I was merely expressing what I thought--at the time--to be the truth. We or you must really stop Custerwest from talking and offering mails "on behalf" of the LBHA BOD .... that said, I truly was operating under the burden of a gang of technical mishaps which rendered me incapable of logging onto this site--as well as others, including my sentimental favourite: www.bleedcubbieblue.comEAMUS CATULI!!!! PS: One of my on-going jokes at work deals with the technical misfires my pc suffers ... the other day I was literally causing one computer after another to collapse. Crikey!
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Post by alfuso on Feb 9, 2008 3:44:27 GMT -5
I go with Melani on this.
this whole thing between the 2 boards is getting tedious. And is too much of a reminder of the board wars on Delphi a few years back.
Let's get settled. and research and discuss.
alfuso
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2008 7:45:30 GMT -5
I have found in my lifetime, that the voices of moderation, compassion, and compromise are generally found in the female body. Reading all of this, I find I am not incorrect. I also find it interesting that the three voices of moderation are all from the old board and have all been variously attacked over there as well as here. Quite frankly, no one can put it better than what I have just read, and that includes Melani's description of how I found the LBHA, as well.
I also think that if one wants to hold one's head up high-- or certainly higher than the great unwashed hold theirs-- one needs to lead the way sometimes. If the "other" board wants to delete references to this one, then why should this one lower the bar and stoop to such childishness. I appreciate the Moderator's comments about my posts and my "actions" as a "former moderator" or "ex-moderator," but I also think we are being a little too intransigent when it comes to the Swiss haranguer. I have never been one to lower the bar in anything I have ever done in my life, but I find that a common theme in almost everything we do today and almost everywhere we go.
If I'm vituperative or nasty or a name-called, it is only because I come to my own defense. You will also recognize-- if you are fair and honest with yourselves-- that I always proper the olive branch. I even left the door ajar in my latest hoo-hah, the PM'ing fiasco with "rolling gaspipe." As usual, he either missed it or he was too busy rolling around in his own insecurity to sit back a moment and understand what I was getting at. I have found over the years that apologizing-- even if one feels it is not his obligation-- is an easy thing to do and it creates strong friendships. If you want some humble pie out of ol' Freddy-boy here, I submit my recent tiff with Harpskiddie on the "other" boards. Right or wrong, never-mind-whose-fault-it-was, we bridged the crevasse, and I wouldn't change my stance with my "friend" for anything in the world. There is no one wittier, no one with a greater knowledge of this event we all obsess over, no one whom I care for more than this former antagonist: Gordon Harper. And he had the grace and understanding to recognize what we were going through, and he too threw away the arrows for the olive branch. That, ladies and gentlemen, is a man! (And I only include "ladies" here as a matter of literary fluff; the "ladies" clearly get it.)
That should happen here, but I see no compromise on either side and I find it remarkably stupid. The only thing more stupid is the outre, extremist stance taken by certain individuals on this board. It still goes back to what I just said: if one person lowers the bar, does that mean we must all follow? Maybe on the 3rd-grade playground.
Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2008 8:07:43 GMT -5
One other thing before it escapes my feeble mind. Shelby Foote once called "compromise" the great American trait or ability, something we do better than anyone. I find that missing on both sides, on both boards, in both organizations. And I think it is a disgrace and I blame it more on the LBHA organization than I do on the other side. Oh, believe me, I'm sure there's enough blame to go around, but this is the larger, more powerful, and older group, and as such, I think it is beholden to its members to seek every avenue of peace and compromise; the LBHA should know better. I find that has not been done. At least not from what I have seen. This is clearly an example of 1 + 1 = 1/2, when it could have been 1 + 1 = 3. Not a single, solitary soul involved in finding out more about the LBH is better off for it. The amount of time wasted on this crap is monumental.
I also find it very strange because I have been corresponding with two of the older members (both of whose names would be readily recognizable), and while we do not agree on every aspect of this event, we discuss it in a very civil and gentlemanly manner. So, just from that, I sense a strong willingness to compromise. One fellow told me he stopped corresponding with two known authors because of their complete intransigence. I can understand that. My feelings with these two gentlemen are that they hold more valuable information in their minds and their experiences than I could ever hope to glean from a book. I wouldn't risk that relationship for anything. Some of you may even know the difficulty I had in trying to get a controversial article published. An entire editorial board rejected it, yet this man had the position to override that rejection and ensure my article got published. I don't know if he even agreed with it, but he obviously liked it, and felt I had as much right to my opinion as anyone had to theirs. I will tell you all something: that is a man with some guts! I would go to the wall for him.
Why can't there be more like him?
Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by sinkiller on Feb 9, 2008 9:34:00 GMT -5
This is clearly an example of 1 + 1 = 1/2, when it could have been 1 + 1 = 3. Not a single, solitary soul involved in finding out more about the LBH is better off for it. The amount of time wasted on this crap is monumental. Hear, hear! So hath it been spoken; so shalt (well, at least should) it be. Amen!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2008 9:49:25 GMT -5
By the way while I'm at it, this new policy of having to sign in before one can read the boards, is inane.
Will you guys please, please stop this nonsense! Do you want me on bended knees? Or are we now too afraid to admit a teeny error? Please...!
Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by Melani on Feb 9, 2008 10:12:55 GMT -5
What fred said. If you want to attract new members who will actually participate in discussion, you need to remove the register-to-view requirement. Otherwise, you will have a lot of people who register, take one look, and run like rabbits, leaving you with a lot of meaningless, empty names.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2008 10:24:46 GMT -5
Moderator--
I just noticed that "rolling thunder" deleted his name. I am sorry for that and offer an apology to you and to other members of this board. I feel responsible for costing you a member, despite the fact he and I did not get along. That was not my purpose, and his loss is a loss for us all.
If he reads this-- or if you can contact him-- I would invite him back and I will back off the sarcasm. We can agree to disagree and I will try to conduct matters with more personal civility. As long as he can add to the discussion, his voice is as valuable as mine.
Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by wanderinghill on Feb 9, 2008 10:32:29 GMT -5
Ditto to fred and melani. Requiring registration/login to simply read the boards is ridiculous. (Though not completely unprecedented: the "George A. Custer" forum at Delphi requires it--and perhaps the level of activity there can serve as an object lesson to the good folks here.)
Please reconsider this inapt move.
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Post by cosla50 on Feb 9, 2008 11:21:46 GMT -5
There are two of us here from Pierre, South Dakota? Interesting... Hello Treasuredude--Small world, isn't it? I'm a newcomer to the Capital City, and am really enjoying it. I love being within striking distance of so many great places: LBH, FPK, etc. etc. cos P.S.: If you know of any good available housing hereabouts, PM me!
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Post by tommyk on Feb 9, 2008 12:58:07 GMT -5
Cos (as in lettuce?):
Brilliant--very brilliant!
But are you sure? Are you very, very sure who you think those people are?
I heard there is someone here who could "alter" and/or delete slanderous or libel posts. Making accusations could lead to that.
PS: I bet you're good at Sudoku!
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Post by tommyk on Feb 9, 2008 13:02:08 GMT -5
rollingblunder:
How could you after all we've been through together?
I thought . . . I thought . . . I thought. Oh, I don't not what I thought.
This could drive me back to drinking Rolling Rock!
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